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  1. tazandjan

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    #76 tazandjan, Oct 15, 2010
    Will post a photo of a ceramic rotor and an OEM rotor together tomorrow. Will show contrast in size. Helps to have a spare set, although the OEM rotors are rapidly becoming paper weights.

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  2. ghardt

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    #77 ghardt, Oct 15, 2010
    Maybe those OEM rotors would look good on a 348.
     
  3. tazandjan

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    #78 tazandjan, Oct 15, 2010
    Jerry- The OEM 575M front calipers and rotors will fit the 355 with caliper adapters. Not sure about the 348.

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    #79 TFENT, Oct 16, 2010
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    We at MovIt USA have been following this thread. We asked for permission from Rob about responding to questions about our products. He granted us permission. If you have any questions please post them here or PM/email us and we will be happy to answer them for you.

    Here is a stock rotor from a 360 challenge car compared the new CER rotor as a gauge in size difference. Keep in mind these are 370mm Gen 1 CER rotors and what Terry has are 396mm Gen 2 rotors.

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  5. tazandjan

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    #81 JoshECS, Oct 17, 2010
    That is a substantial visual Taz! Looking at that make it seems completely unrealistic that the CER's are so much lighter, obviously they are though. Impressive.

    I'm purposing a Mov it upgrade to a gentleman with a 360CS that has had trouble finding a REAL solution to throwing away money on brakes after track days. This is good evidence as to why it's good money spent.
     
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    #82 tazandjan, Oct 17, 2010
    Josh- These should last way longer than CCM brakes. I probably should take a photo of the brake pads as a comparison, too, since I have an extra set of OEM FHP pads. They will be OBE and surplus to me, just like the two sets of rotors I will have that will be sent to a new home. Plus FHP red calipers and the pads in them. The Mov-it pads are huge, easily 25% larger than Gen 1 CCM pads.

    If you do fit them, let us know how they wear. The Renault F1 guys have been amazed at the wear on the sets they have put on the back of their F1 cars. They last multiple races. Hopefully they will put some on the front, too.

    Someone is going to get a really good deal on red FHP calipers, two sets of pads, and two sets of rotors. Enough to last a 550 or 575M a lifetime.

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    #83 henryr, Oct 17, 2010
    terry - those are the fronts in the comparo pics ? my god...... i need a set. how much ?
     
  9. tazandjan

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    #84 tazandjan, Oct 17, 2010
    Henry- Contact Tom for pricing. We made this deal a while back because it took me some time to pay for them. Rich customers get instant gratification.

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    #85 henryr, Oct 18, 2010
    terry -

    1) is that the largest that fit within the 19" wheels ?
    2) you doing both front and rear ?
    3) they make them in steel ?
    4) can u mix ? CF front steel rear ?

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    #86 mrbucket2, Oct 18, 2010
    I would think you could mix cf and steel like that since on the Audi RS4 the optional ceramic brakes were only for the front wheels. I would assume that it would work fine on any car if a large manufacturer does it.
     
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    #87 wbklink, Oct 18, 2010
    Now that's funny Terry .. (Rich customers get instant gratification)
    Is that not the way of the world ????
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    #88 TFENT, Oct 18, 2010
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    1. Yes the next size up is a 436mm kit, made for 20 + inch wheels

    2. Terry has bought both front and rear CER kits. The rear is in production at the moment for him.

    3. Yes the same kits are available in Steel

    4. Yes you can mix front CER with a steel rear kit.

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    #89 tazandjan, Oct 18, 2010
    Henry- What Tom said.

    Bill- I have blown several chances to be rich, but yes that is the way of the world. If someone plunks their money down, Tom can get a system to them asap.

    Brakes are being installed as we speak and the pads even have wear sensors. Only minor glitch is that Ferrari uses a single wire system for the wear sensor that uses the rotor/hat as a ground. Mov'It ceramic rotors obviously do not provide a good ground (actually excellent resistors) and the wear sensors need a two wire connector. My techs are putting the connectors together with the separate ground wire.

    Missed chance to photograph the pads. Trust me when I say the new ones are huge compared to the OEM pads.


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    #90 Scuderia980, Oct 18, 2010
    i've been following this thread with nothing but smiles:) that is some serious brake tech!!! however, don't recall if been said before, what is the center bell/ 'hub' made of? is it available in different alloys? do you know if there's advanatages/disadv if it were say, Mag vs Ti vs Aluminum. just curious.
     
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    #91 tazandjan, Oct 18, 2010
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    Dave- I did not check to see what the material was. It was powder coated. Yes, titanium would lower weight, but that much titanium would be expensive. Might be worth it since they are both rotating mass and unsprung mass. I think the hat is actually steel, but will check with a magnet when the car comes back tomorrow. Ferrari makes them from both steel and aluminum, depending on application, for CCM brakes. Magnesium burns like a match, so might not be the best choice.

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    #92 TFENT, Oct 18, 2010
    The front hats in this case are a high strength aluminum. On the rear the engineers decide which is best to use based on the application. In most cases a racing Porsche 997 GT3 will get aluminum hats while a street driven version, like a 997 TT will get a steel hat. This is due to the drum style parking brake assembly. The race version will not use the parking brake as much as the street driven version. So weight is reduced by using the aluminum. On most Ferrari's where a 2nd set of mechanical calipers is used as a parking brake, aluminum will be used for the hats.
     
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    #93 Scuderia980, Oct 18, 2010
    gotcha! and i remember a big discussion while back regarding CS CCM's and they had steel centers vs Alum for the latest CCM's??? i'm gonna try to dig that up...
     
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    #94 Sandy Eggo, Oct 18, 2010
    Cool thread...can't wait to see the completed project/pics.
     
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    #95 Scuderia980, Oct 18, 2010
    thanks for the info! also, would using Ti drive up cost to the point where it wouldn't make sense for street use? how much would it cost on top of the already 'mid size sedan price'..just pondering out loud...overkill?
     
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    There is no performance advantage (durability, reliability, or strength) using titanium in this case vs. that of aluminum.
     
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    #97 bcwawright, Oct 18, 2010
    Hi Tom
    Are you going to offer a CER 355mm x 32mm rotors and pads for converting the Brembo GT steel brake set-up?
     
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    Sir:

    PM me your contact information and I will send off an inquiry to Germany about your question.
     
  24. tazandjan

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    #99 tazandjan, Oct 18, 2010
    Dave- The aluminum hat is most likely lighter than titanium would be. Density of aluminum is 168 lbs/cu ft, titanium is 283 lbs/cu ft, and steel is 490 lbs/cu ft. Where titanium offers an advantage is in high strength parts that see a lot of heat, like exhaust valves and leading edges of SR-71s, and parts with a lot of inertia that need high strength and low weight. It is nearly as tough as steel, weighs less, and is very heat tolerant. So valves, connecting rods, wheel stud bolts, and exhaust systems are good applications, but expensive. In other places, aluminum will actually give you lighter weight at an order of magnitude lower cost, and this is one of those applications.

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    #100 Scuderia980, Oct 19, 2010
    thanks a bunch for the feedback. always wondered about it.
     
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