Brock and Batista................that is if he ever signs with the UFC????
brock and cain I believe are pretty even, cain a more accurate striker and possibly a better long distance runner, but he's 245 at fight night and brock possibly 280 something come fight night. I think brock size wins if he gets the mount or any top position. size is a ***** especially if someone knows how to use it correctly and not get caught.
If Brock gets ANY top control, Cain is toast. Cain wins this on striking - Brock's standup is average, Cain's is near top of the division. Big Nog is an outstanding boxer and Cain destroyed him. I know Noguiera is past his prime and should retire, but man Cain was sick in that fight!. I am a Brock fan, but I think Cain's striking advantage wins this early - 1 or 2 round TKO.
It wouldn't surprise me if Cain got the "Don King" visit from Dana White, if not, then the refs have certainly been briefed on not stopping the fight unless it goes the appropriate way. Lesner is too important right now to lose the title now.
OMFG.... What a beat down. That was F'ing amazing I tell ya, after Carwin and now with Cain, I don't think Brock can take a punch for shi t. Seems like whenever he gets tagged he crumbles. That was awesom. I'm so psyched. . . .
Not impressed with Shields--He better step up if he plans on making a title run.... Why is he fighting at 170 anyway? Don't like Deigo, but man he was on fire tonight!!
Agree with you 100% I just got back from the fights. wow, what a night! CAIN will be unstoppable!!!!! CRAZY!!!!!!!!! ...Shields was so BORING (like always) Dana will not give him a shot at GSP with that Performance. I actually tink he deserved to lose. Bye Bye Tito! He was SO SLOW and predictable.Comm'on, Who is Hamill. He never impressed me one bit. Never.
Pretty much agree with this - no one likes to take a punch, especially one from Velasquez. However, Brock's boxing defense is rudimentary, and he's been exposed. Simply pressure him with punches and he'll fall. I don't think his chin sucks (he never went out), but he bleeds and doesn't tie up or move for the takedown after you start tagging him. Take a look at how the grappler Shields neutralized the striker Kampmann...boring, yes, but effective. To be fair to Brock, I think Cain is simply on another level, his striking is just worlds ahead of anyone in the division. I think Cain will destroy Dos Santos, and given his young age, will probably be on top for awhile. While on Shields, definitely a lackluster performance. 185 is where he needs to be, he gassed too early for a top tier fighter. Diego was awesome. Both guys let it all hang out, but that folks was an MMA fight! Keep your pseudo boxing matches, I want to see grappling, striking, and sub attempts. Message to Brock Lesnar - Diego is proof that you can rebound from tough losses. I've never thought much of Diego, but that fight made me a fan...kudos Diego! Tito does need to retire. Great all-time heel, but you feel bad for him. Boring fight too.
I guess Dana did say Shield's next fight will be GSP. BRING IT!!! after that performance, I think GSP will beat him down. But then again i'm ALWAYS wrong! thank god im not a big bet'er. Me too, i became a Diego fan after that performance. I boo'd Tito after that fight.
Joe Rogan was saying that Shields had a very hard time cutting to 170, and that certainly showed in the fight. If Shields was at 100%, he would have either submitted Kampman, or won a unanimous decision. If Shields can come back to terms fighting at 170, he'll be a handful for anybody at WW, including GSP. Shields' grappling and BJJ are at another level over everyone else. If he struggles as much as he did this fight to make the weight, then GSP will destroy him. Cain did an awesome job. Mad props to him, he deserved that.
I think Dana's in a real pickle after last night. Shields is no threat to GSP if last night's performance is any indication. And Cain basically destroyed the whole heavyweight picture with his dismantling of Brock. So now you have DOMINANT fighters at HWT, Middleweight, and Welterweight. And Light HWT, I see only Jon Jones as a real threat to Shogun. If I am Dana, I SIGN FEDOR NOW! He's the only guy - stylistically - that can give Cain a run.
I think JDS is next in line for a shot at HW title. Shields was boring and if Kampman had stood him up in the last round it would have been all over for him. Tito needs to retire, but god I can't stand Hamill. He's the most boring fighter I've ever seen. Why do we have to keep seeing him. (Gonzaga also needs to retire- he brought nothing...)
Agree with all of this! JDS will get destroyed, Shields will be destroyed. Gonzaga looked good the last second of the final round when he got Schaub's back...a little to late. It seems a lot of BJJ guys fall into this trap...Gonzaga's gotten enamored with his striking, when he should have gotten Schaub on the mat.
Just watched 121. Agreed on Gonzaga. I'd be surprised if he didn't get cut to be honest. He looked very lack luster. Terrible game plan. He was hurting Schaub with legs kicks then friggin stopped kicking! WTF? Shields will not make much of impression in the UFC IMHO. As mentioned, GSP would have no problem with him at 170 and the UFC is too stacked at 185. Shields will get destroyed at 185. Should have stayed in SF. Cain finished the job Carwin started. If he didn't gas he'd have fought Cain last night. These last 2 fights have exposed Lesnar's lack of stand up experience. If you can get back on your feet and hit heavy and on the money, you can beat Lesnar. Not to mention Lesnar came out too fast and furious and then gassed. Not so sure JDS will get destroyed by Cain. Both are great strikers and all it takes is to get caught by one. JDS's cardio is also right up there with Cain's. The fight will go longer than Lesnar's that's for sure. Kudos to Cain though. I'm no fan of Lesnar's and was pumped for Cain. Be interesting to see how Lesnar bounces back from this loss. I'd like to see Cain vs Overeem.
I am a little surprised to hear many of you feeling that Shields is a non-threat. If you are basing this on this one performance, then you are making a mistake. That fight does not represent how he is condition-wise typically. There's no doubt he has to find a way to make the 170lb cut comfortably, because if he isn't at 100%, then he will have a hard time. But Shields at 100% is a very strong force to be reckoned with. Some may argue he is one dimensional, and I would agree with that. However, the one dimension that he specializes in, he is one of the very best in the business. He is a master at closing distance, and getting you to his world. Once in his world, you are toast.
Yeah, but don't you think that if you were making your big debut in UFC, that you would have gotten comfortable with that weight and had your conditioning such that you came in with a bang? He was lackluster and gassed. Not a spectacular first impression...
Perhaps, but that doesn't take away from his skills. Shields has been fighting at MW, and that is a better weight for him. I wonder if Dana was pushing him to fight at WW to give GSP some much needed competition. I bet that if/when GSP beats Kos, and the has a title fight against Shields, and GSP wins that too, Shields will go to MW, and never return to WW. I will go out on a limb and say that I think Shields can beat Anderson Silva...........there, I said it! He's that good.
I heard Shields cut 20lbs. on the last day???????? If that was the case, it explains everything. But still, He should have known. Plus entering the UFC for the 1st. time is not easy. look at Shogun. Now he's the champ after what Forest did to him in his 1st. UFC fight. I just think 185lbs. would EAT Shields UP. Put him in with Nate, See what Nate would do to him! It seems he can't make the WW limit anymore.
You really believe Shields would get eaten up at 185??? We rarely disagree, my man, but I could see him winning the belt there.
