Frank Williams on Alan Jones.... | FerrariChat

Frank Williams on Alan Jones....

Discussion in 'F1' started by Gilles27, Oct 30, 2010.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Gilles27

    Gilles27 F1 World Champ

    Mar 16, 2002
    13,337
    Ex-Urbia
    Full Name:
    Jack
    I think this helps put words to that esoteric difference many of us "old timers" see in today's sport compared to the F1 we first fell in love with:

    I always liked Alan Jones, and it's interesting to see comparisons between he and Webber.
     
  2. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,757
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    he's currently the patron of Make-a-Wish for seriously ill children, and immodest to a tee about his achievements, his 2 lovely kids seem to keep him busy :)
     
  3. Senna1994

    Senna1994 F1 World Champ

    Nov 11, 2003
    13,189
    Orange County
    Full Name:
    Anthony T
    I always thought that Alan Jones was one of the most underrated drivers of all time. Watching his races from 79-81 showed he was the top of the class, in my mind the only driver of the period that could compare was Gilles Villeneuve. Jones was a no BS kind of guy and he should have won the championship in 81 if it wasn't for all the reliability problems he suffered that year. I like the fact that he kept Nelson Piquet in his place and scared the crap out of Carlos Reutmann as well. Well done Alan.
     
  4. Il Vecchio

    Il Vecchio F1 Rookie

    Dec 27, 2007
    2,573
    Near Pasadena, CA
    Full Name:
    Peter B.
    Agreed. AJ was seriously underrated. However, he was his own worst enemy, too.
     
  5. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jan 27, 2006
    31,836
    In the flight path to Offutt
    Full Name:
    The original Fernando
    Should have won it, but didn't.

    Shoulda/Coulda/Woulda's don't count.

    Hamilton 'should' have won it 4 years ago but didn't.

    Tons of people 'should' have won races, or championships, but didn't, that's what sets the winners apart from the ones that don't win (but I refuse to call anyone a 'loser').
     
  6. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

    Jun 7, 2006
    78,324
    Wurundjeri man.
    Full Name:
    Arvin Grajau
    Have you scene him of late,very sad.
     
  7. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

    Jun 7, 2006
    78,324
    Wurundjeri man.
    Full Name:
    Arvin Grajau
    immodest,ever met him or done any business with him?
    its a shocker.
     
  8. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jan 27, 2006
    31,836
    In the flight path to Offutt
    Full Name:
    The original Fernando
    That about sums it up.

    Back in the 80's I had actual conversations with Mansell, Senna, Sullivan, Cheever, but today I cannot get anywhere near todays' drivers even with an all-access press pass. In 1984 Senna was easy access because he was not (at the time) a 'top driver' in F1 or on a 'top team' so he was largely ignored when he came to Detroit. I saw something in his style that told me he was the real deal, I didn't see that in Brundle, Cecotto, Palmer, either of the Fabi's, or any of the other newbies, but I DID see it with Bellof. Have not seen it since, and that includes MS. Keep in mind I have not personally SEEN MS.
     
  9. Senna1994

    Senna1994 F1 World Champ

    Nov 11, 2003
    13,189
    Orange County
    Full Name:
    Anthony T
    Franco, I mean't the number of silly breakdowns he suffered in 1981 compared to 1980. And your other post on the other drivers is terrific, could not agree with you more.
     
  10. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 4, 2004
    45,542
    Texas
    Full Name:
    David
    IMO its not statistics that separates "winners" from "losers". They are but one measure.
    The car you are given, your position in a team, DNF's, and just plain luck often make the difference between WDC's and a footnote in history.
     
  11. texasmr2

    texasmr2 Two Time F1 World Champ
    BANNED

    Oct 22, 2007
    22,232
    Houston
    Full Name:
    Gregg
    Yep he was imo aswell the real deal.
     
  12. brian.s

    brian.s F1 Rookie
    Professional Ferrari Technician

    Nov 3, 2003
    3,809
    Midwest
    Full Name:
    Brian
    Having personally known AJ from the late 60s when he, Brian McGuire and Alan McCully ran F3 with the AIRO team, I can attest to Sir Frank's opinion. Never was or will be 'PC', Alan speaks his mind and unfortunately was much in the mould of his Dad, stan with whom I also had the pleasure. Absolutely no BS, you got what you see, when he drove for me at Surtees we saw thar grittiness, he was often frustrated because John did so much test driving, but gave everything on the track, he came up through the ranks and paid his dues, then made the most of the Williams drive. later when doing a one off CART race, I recall the wedgie he gave me when creeping up on me on the grid before the race.
    A fun guy, talented, old school man's man.
     
  13. zaevor2000

    zaevor2000 Formula 3

    Jul 18, 2007
    1,897
    Dallas, TX
    Full Name:
    Frank Waugh
    Great post, Brian!

    Frank
     
  14. brian.s

    brian.s F1 Rookie
    Professional Ferrari Technician

    Nov 3, 2003
    3,809
    Midwest
    Full Name:
    Brian
    Thanks Frank.

    Certainly times the like of which we will see no more unfortunately (in some ways).

    Got a lot of stories from those days, with james Hunt, Mike Hailwood and co. I remember Alan Jones bachelor party, well most/some of it, much as you might imagine an Aussie bachelor party to be..... The wedding was good, shame AJ let that get away. But he appears to be handling things better in his later years.

    Only current driver I have any connection to happens to be MW, my brother and he regularly cycle the Chilterns. Seems like a genuine bloke, would love to see him win it all.
     

Share This Page