PROSECUTOR: MASSA CAN BE JAILED IF HELPS ALONSO WIN F1 TITLE

Lawyers, always looking for an angle

 

But, it's not a "sport" if one athlete is allowed to let another win...

 

Petty bureaucrats are the same everywhere.
You've had your fifteen now leave the stage sir.

 

LMAO...

 

bull merda

 

That's funny.

6 years?

 

Yes, the angle is the fraud - affecting the outcome of a sporting event, like a boxer throwing a fight, a baseball team throwing the world series, etc.

Not so outrageous, really - the whole 'team orders' argument has been about exactly this point. The bookies hate team orders changing the outcome of an event, etc.

 

By the same token, if this was NASCAR then, they'd have to throw a capture
net over the entire starting grid.

BHW

 

Anyone who doesn't believe bookies factor "team orders" into the odds... raise your hand.

 

The touts aren't quite as naive as some of our posters.

 

You should be asking the bookies who were extremely vocal after Germany this year, or Austria 2002, and so on. There were plenty of media articles about their outrage following Massa ceding to Alonso.

In the title deciding races, like Brazil 2007, absolutely it's expected and accounted for... in races like Germany 2010, it's apparently not expected and not accounted for or factored in by the bookies!

VISLA, it wasn't the posters here who added the team orders rule in 2003, so I doubt the naievety of anyone here was a factor.

 

What are the odds that Massa will finish one place higher than Alonso in Brazil?

 

This guys just have too much of time in their hands.

 

Who cares about bookies.

 

Do you think Felipe will repeat his 2008 performance, of winning from pole? Or will 'Zo drive better and/or have a faster car?

 

lol at "bookies." They're losers and need real jobs. I couldn't care less about them or their families they are trying to support. There are a million more respectable ways to make an income and provide for their family than gambling on cars driving in circles.

I guess Brazil has nothing better to do than threaten one of their own that has been trying to represent their country to the best of his abilities. Maybe they should spend more time protecting children from being sex slaves and cracking down on their drug problem. I guess they rather spend time scaring F1 drivers and having transvestites provide sex.

 

It a "Team". That is why teams exist. No different than a sacrifice bunt to advance a runner.


Just another 3rd world bureaucrat. Even worse than ours.

 

Guys - why is this a surprise? I'm not one who needs the history of team orders in F1 explained - your beef is with Max and the WMSC who implemented this rule in 2002 - and with the current FIA who've let it stand, including a large fine to Ferrari this year for violating the team orders rule in Germany. They're the ones who decided that the Drivers title was more important than the Constructors, they're the ones who banned team orders. Not me or anyone else on this forum!

Yeah, the "prosecutor" in Brazil is a publicity hound. And the "bookies" aren't the ones gambling on the cars, they're the ones running the betting shops and making many, many millions of dollars a year!

 

Says it all...

 

I would agree. I always thought sport meant competition. Teammates Johnson and Gordan race each other to the bitter end, seems like in F1, telling one driver to pull aside for another just takes away from the importance of the victory.

The comment by this prosecutor albeit for publicity, has its basis from the fact that most Brazilian's are upset with Massa for bending over for Alonso. I can't blame them.

 

First off, I think team orders should be allowed. I've been trying to come up with an analogy from a different sport. I was thinking a pinch runner as an example, or a pinch hitter, or even changing the pitcher to match the batter.

Can anyone think of a good analogy where team orders are used in another sport, where it might be considered cheating, if the rules didn't allow it. Obviously, baseball allows these.

Has Brett Favre ever started a game for only a few plays to keep his streak alive?

Oh wait, I just came up with the perfect analogy. The Tour De France! Case closed.

 

This situation was not helped by Alonso saying yesterday that he hopes the Brazilian fans will understand if Massa moves over for him. (which would be really ugly)

 

But it is a sport if team mates support and promote each other for the good if the team. Otherwise as noted before, ban the sacrifice bunt. Stop giving hockey players points for assists. Outlaw support riders in the Tour De France. Lock up the entire Edmonton Oilers bench for protecting Grezky all those years.

Wait. That last one's a good idea.

 

This is just firing a shot across the bow of Ferrari management for Massa's sake. It's meaningless because Massa has no chance to win the WDC. Of course he will move over.

So, he's not supposed to "help" Alonso win? Does that mean if he's running behind Alonso but ahead of Vettel or Webber, he has to move over?


Silly...

BTW: It DOES happen in other sports. If a team is out of the baseball playoffs, many times the manager will take out his best players for teams that are in a battle with teams they don't like. And, some teams definately play harder against others because of grudge matches or payback.

It's a team sport. As long as it's a team sport, there will be team orders -- spoken or unspoken.