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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Bertocchi, Jan 14, 2006.

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  1. Sire Bruno de Losckley

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    great pic thank,

    plate of Seidel: MI 335318
     
  2. Boudewijn

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    This is 0489SA, the car in which the then owner D.Fernando Mascarenhas had a lethal accident.
     
  3. Tom Roland

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    Thanks Walter.

    Yes the SA is 0489SA which survived Mascarenhas who killed himself on the road in Spain, dicing with a Pegaso on August 4 1956.

    Maybe the car at the 'Ring one year later was owned by Jan de Vroom.

    Best
     
  4. Jeff Kennedy

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    Did Jan de Vroom actually own any of the cars attributed to him or were they on loan/gifted to him? As I understood it he did not have money but was instead supported by others.

    Jeff
     
  5. Tom Roland

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    I have several cars linked with Jan de Vroom but I am not familiar at all with him nor with his "gang" (George Arents and David Cunningham).

    I understand he was related to the Marquis de Cuevas/Rockefeller money...

    Why don't you start a thread ?
     
  6. Jeff Kennedy

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    Was working with George Arents grandaughter to sort through some of the stories and find truth in NART. Some very interesting tidbits but they always brought up more questions instead of answers. There is alleged to be a book in work on Chinetti but the backer is alleged to be more interested in the family's place in history that total accuracy.

    Jeff
     
  7. Bertocchi

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    One of the Arents grandchildren contacted me looking for photos of George. From my conversations with some of the early Chinetti employees Arents was instrumental in supporting Nart as was a gentleman named Blauwise (I am not sure of the spelling).
     
  8. Sempre_gilles

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    When exactly traded Michel Ringoir 0357 GT for 0907 GT? At Zandvoort on the 7th of July I have him still racing 0357 GT.
     
  9. ED59

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    Reg. plate looks like a Dutch one...?
     
  10. Tom Roland

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    Barchetta is wrong on 57/Aug/04, as Walter's photos show.

    I have no exact date for the delivery of 0707 (not 0907) to Ringoir but there is time for a change (one month) between Zandvoort and the German GP.
     
  11. Sempre_gilles

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    GD-34-52 might indeed be a Dutch plate. In the period 1951 - 1965 Dutch licence plates had the format AA-NN-NN where A is an alphanumerical character and N is a numerical character.

    A quick check at the authorities involved in issueing licence plates in the Netherlands (www.rdw.nl) unfortunately gave no results.
     
  12. RAKLAW

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    A 250 SWB California I owned SN 3195GT was suposedly originally purchased by de Vroom from Chinetti
     
  13. omd78

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    I've noticed the simularities between Dutch and Portugese plates before. Very difficult to separate these. No results on rdw.nl only means the car is no longer registered here in Holland...

    Gr. Martin
     
  14. Kalidengas

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    The old Dutch and Portuguese plates are absolutely similar, no diferences.
     
  15. readplays

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    Boudewijn has the last as 3765LM rather than 3673SA. You are not convinced?

    Best,
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    #5818 readplays, Oct 28, 2010
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    Thanks Boudewijn. I agreed with Michael T. Lynch's article (although I'm no expert and never will be) and have posted to that effect on fchat in the past.
    For me what retired said- and the fact that it's retired saying it- closes the case.

    Best,
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    EDIT Just remembered.. it was retired who sold the 4-liter block to 3765 to make up a motor to replicate the original. 3765 of course carries 0796, the 3-liter block the FACTORY installed in 1963, when selling it on to the first private owner. 4-liter block was built up during the Don Andrews/Shelton Ferrari restoration (IIRC) so the owner could have the option of using either of its 'correct' configurations.
     
  18. Boudewijn

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  19. readplays

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    Boudewijn,

    Of course I'm sure you have the c/n's, but will you state the coachbuilders for the 3 166's- such a great comparison of early cars (!).

    Best,
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  20. Boudewijn

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    S/N's left/right 003S, 005S and 009S i.e. Allemano, Touring and Stablimenti Farina, i.e. drivers Bianchetti, Sterzi and Cornacchia. The S/N's of the A6's are not known.
     
  21. wbaeumer

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    The Maseratis are #060 and #085.

    Ciao!
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  22. Sire Bruno de Losckley

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    your sure Stabilmenti Farina 166 Cornacchia? or Allemano.
     
  23. Boudewijn

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    There are other photos of the Stab.Farina car wearing racenumber 18. No doubt.
     
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