how do you value a 599 stick shift

2008, 5k miles, triple black, good shape. but with a stick.....
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220 to 240ish depending on options and what msrp was...

 

There aren't many of these. Ferrari of Long Island has a 2007 red/tan 599 with a 6 speed manual. It has 2826 miles and the asking price is $239,000. So it seems like the trans doesn't have all that much to do with it. Personally I can see this car becoming more valuable and sought after with time. If Ferrari continues to produce cars without the manual option, (like the 458 and Cali)true collectors that will only settle for the gated shifter will want them. I know I would. Hell, I might even buy it against my F430 F1. They also have another 2007 F1 599 with 2103 miles(a few less) although its gray, its the same price. They also have an 2008 599 F1 for $279,000. Im guessing that the 2008 6 speed that you stated above wont be that much less. Hope this helps. All cars mentioned at the time of writing this are currently for sale.

 

ok.
btw, the factory has made 6 california's with a stick...i helped a friend buy one from the local dealer.

 

Thanks for the update. I didn't hear about or see any of them yet. Those will probably be sought after to in the future for guys who want the gated 6 speed. Do you know what type of remapping changes happen to the engine and trans with 1 less gear? Im guessing that some of the gears react differently because they have to make up for the 7th.

 

dunno about the engine mapping differences. i will ask the dealer when i see him this week.
the cali in question is black with a tobacco interior. very nice. and yes, the exclusivity of it is why/how i steered my friend into it. as far as i know its the only one (or one of 2) in europe.

 

Ross- Manual shifter 599s have been a tough sale here in the US and some have sat unsold for a long time. The 599 was really designed around the F1, so I would try one and see if you like it before buying. I assume the original price was ~$10K cheaper like it was on the 575 and 612, but I think the manual shifter cars have taken a bigger bath than that here. If interested, there is a good chance you can pick up the car for a bargain price if you plan on keeping it. You can upgrade the 08s to HGTE parts, most likely. The exhaust and suspension would be nice, and the wheels if you like them. Obviously it would not need the F1 upgrades.

Going to use the money from the CS?

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I looked very closely at 3 gated shift 599's and drove one around the block. It really is extremely difficult to drive off in first. The clutch is even less forgiving than a Carrera GT.
Even a lifetime of driving manuals all over the world left me unprepared in seeking an elusive sweetspot. As a collectors car and usage where there are no stopgo/traffic lights maybe. At least $50k under wholesale F1 versions. Sometime back there was a review in Forza magazine you may want to look into. 2008 F1 are wholesale a tad over $200k, so an offer of $165K would get the ball rolling, but DRIVE if first !

 

Can you show me some transactions that back these numbers up? 2008 F1s are more than a "tad" over $200k wholesale from what I've seen.

At $165k I'll take 10 or 20 6speed 599s.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2dr-Cpe-Low-Miles-Coupe-Manual-Gasoline-6-0-LITER-V-12-/230540789174?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35ad4d45b6

This <700mi car has been getting dustier and dustier, just sitting there.....

 

Sadly I can only find 3 in the US for you. Wholesale for 599's is a good $50K below retail. So a selling price for 2008 FI is generous at anything more than $245K. Gosh I can get a 2009 updated to HGTE for under $300K. These cars are on the same trajectory as 612's. However a manual 612 can still be driven, since it is a 575 in effect. That would be a GOOD buy.
Check auctions like Mannheim's if you can access their data through a friendly dealer, doesn't have to be a Ferrari dealer. Mannheim auctions are the gold standard of values.
Auctions are weekly. Ferrari Houston had a 599 manual for 2 years, Foreign Cars Italia the same. Ferrari Tampa Bay have a Rosso/Tan, the latter should negotiate with an INFORMED buyer. Call Tom Hassel.

 

'07 599's
11/20/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $250,000 6,112 Avg RED 12G T No
08/06/09 MANHEIM Regular $230,000 4,850 Avg SILVER 12G No
03/19/10 NEVADA Regular $229,000 1,225 Avg RED 12G A No
09/22/10 W PALM Regular $188,000 7,856 Avg YELLOW 12G A No

1 '08 went through over a year ago

09/24/09 RIVRSIDE Lease $227,000 6,659 Avg SLVR 12G A No

No '09 Ferrari's at all....

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/599-GTB-F1-YELLOW-LOADED-FULLY-SERVICED-/200532922040?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb0b18eb8

Here's the '07 on EBAY. Wanna donate 40K to their cause? Funny how the miles are a bit off.....

 

the car in question is offered at about 30-50k less than comparables here in switzerland. i just came across it while trolling the car sites.

taz, no i am not selling the cs - the love affair with that car is tight. i was just musing about selling the 456mgt yet again, and thus thinking about the replacement.

 

I would drive it before anything I recently drove a a 599 F1 and a 599 manual within two days of each other I thoroughly enjoyed the F1 ought it was a great car. But was unhappy with the manual. I daily drive a manual and have always been the type to say Ferrari must continue to make manuals, but after driving the 599 in a manual I believe Ferrari never should have released this car. The engine revs extremely quickly and this coupled with manual transmission is less than ideal. I also only drove it for about 5 minutes where as I drove the F1 for 30 minutes. The owner of my dealer came in just the other week and traded in his 458 for the 599 manual I drove stating "I hate the flappy paddles" of course he is 83 so it is to each his own. Please drive it before you spend any money on it.

Also these car like said above have typically sat for extended periods of time, as it is a very certain buyer who wants a manual 599 which I believe makes them less valuable

 

What's the serial number? Manual 599s are very rare here in the US. When the 599 was first introduced, Ferrari made 20 manuals for the US and that was it. Since then, it's been possible to order a stick, but I don't know how many, if any at all, were ordered.

In my personal and very humble and totally non-professional opinion, I would value a manual higher than an F1. But that's just me.

 

I know someone who had a manual 599 and hated it. Hard core manual guy, too.

 

carbon of course I respect you and your opinion and If I can find then vin to the manual ill pm it over was a 07 black black. Many people operate under if its rare its valuable, I do not operate by this at all as with the 599 manual it is rare but not a well engineered car. The fact that many have sat around for such great lengths of time I believe speaks to this.

 

The 599 got a new transmission and dual plate clutch designed around the F1 system, ie tough. Everything I have seen says the manual just does not feel anywhere near as good as the one in the 575/612. Many race dual plate clutches tend to be on or off and easy to stall and hard to shift smoothly at less than full chat. Sounds like the 599 matches with that description. An electronic brain and 900 psi of hydraulic pressure tames it, but maybe not your normal left foot. Plus the 599 is geared like a drag racer and the shifts come quick.

I would like to try one just because it sounds like a challenge, but it might not be much fun to drive every day.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Hi, Bennett... I can't argue with that. And I'm not a proponent of "it's rare so it must be valuable." I'm just a hard core three-pedal guy.

 

I of course am a manual man to the bone as well. I was so excited when I was told I was getting the chance to pick up the manual 599 and bring it back, and thats why I was so surprised about how I felt about the manual 599. Maybe I was too excited for the manual 599 and it was destined to fail. I feel I gave it a fair shot but it falls extremely short. I called my best friend (a die hard manual ferrari man) after the drive and said that it could be one of Ferrari's biggest mistakes.

 

Motor has all kinds of torque, stick should be no problem (never in the wrong gear!) - maybe a light flywheel makes it a bit trickier than the norm, if so?

 

I was speaking with an especially honest sales guy at Silicon Valley Ferrari last week. I had mentioned that I was looking for a gated 575 or 599. He told me that he has never driven a manual 599 that ran satisfactorily. His explanation was that the 599 engine, suspension, and stability systems were all designed around the F1 tranny-- that the manual confused the ECU and the bugs had never been smoothed-out because of the paucity of manual cars, and their eventual discontinuation. Be sure you do a lengthy pre-purchase test drive before committing to any manual car.