Red Bull's Matesschitz Denies Plot Confirms Webber *SPOILER?*

As long as we have his word on it.
PULEEZE!

 

The fact that he's given his word makes me think it might just be a possibility. They've lied just as much as Ferrari has this season IMO. lol

 

Maybe I'm way off on understanding your post, but are you considering Red Bull using Mark Webber as a Pawn to help Vettle win the Championship?

Webber pitted and Ferrari followed. Red Bull had no idea that Ferrar would do that. It didn't matter anyway since Alonso came out in front of Webber. FA then spent the next 50+ laps trying to get around a russian rookie. Seriously, Alonso couldn't get around a rookie who was in a slower car than what the two time world champion was driving. I'm sure he was playing it safe, I would. It's a rookie that can't seem to keep the car out of the barracade.

I read the article and didn't see where Webber confirmed that that was the plan all along.

 

In Ferraris defense; they were screwed. They were too worried about Webber, and couldn't focus on Vettel. They couldn't cover both bases. Hindsight is too easy, but Webber was off the pace Sat & Sun. Vettel was in a zone....

 

Theres not to many "safe" passing points at that track especially when the car ahead is even on straight line speed. I just don't understand RB's call because webber has done will with managing tires before so I can't imagine him not being able to maintain pace on his "bad" tires to the point where he'd get called in and released into traffic.

 

Who cares if they intended to bait Ferrari or not. If they intended to do it - they succeeded. Either way it was Ferrari's decision (and mistake).

 

I too doubt there was any great conspiracy. I just think that taking anyone in F1's word at face value is foolish.

 

Rigged

 

It would really be extremely difficult to rig such a thing. It seems to me that it was just everything faslling Vettel's way.

 

+1

Whether Ferrari fell for it (assuming there was even a Webber hare) or not is irrelevant: With Vettel running out in front faster than Alonso, there was little they could do.

It is also irrelevant that Alonso couldn't pass Petrov: There were still two more cars to pass ahead on a hard to pass track in a sub par car.

It was an uphill battle. That's racing. Better luck and a better car next year.

 

If he hadn't pitted when he did he wouldn't have ended up behind any of them.

 

I bow to the maestro.

 

MS gets clipped then gets T boned, Rosberg and Petrov dive in pits, tyres on till the end, FA stuck behind, no one could plan or see that coming.

Well maybe if you had deepblue computing on hand.

 

THAT'S IT!
SCHUMIE WAS BEHIND IT ALL.

 

Correctomundo..

 

Well nobody would crash a Renault on purpose, either.

 

Exactly.

Ferrari have already said they pitted to cover Webber's strategy ... see http://en.espnf1.com/abudhabi/motorsport/story/34377.html, so they took the bait. IDIOTS.

If they hadn't Alonso would most likely have finished a trailing 4th and won.


I also believe Red Bull fiddled with Marks car to ensure he did not challenge Vettel in qualifying.

Why do I believe this?

Because Mark was recently very close to Vettel's qualifying times and in third practice he was real close and everything looked normal and then all of a sudden he has no grip ... WTF? Mark even stated afterwards that he was mystified as to why his pace fell off.

Taking Mark out of the equation is completely consistent with Red Bulls strategy everywhere else and makes sense particularly after Brazil when they could easily have pretty much ensured Mark won and was confident going in to the last race. Instead they didn't clearly displayed to the world that either Vettel won or they did not care.

Then they pitted Mark early which completely fncked his race and ensured completely that there would have to be no team order discussion, etc.

This is why Mark is so p!ssed now (or it could simply be that he is upset with himself, which would be fair enough as it was a **** performance ... but if the car was below par ... ?).

Mark should go to Renault IMO. He has no future at Red Bull, especially now Vettel has cracked his duck.
Pete

 

There was talk at the time that Alonso thought his tires were going off and asked for the pit stop. Anyone remember?
Of course later in the race Lewis thought his tires were going too but drove through it and finished second. So who knows?

 

Webber says in his post-race interview that he was the one who wanted to come in for tires because he felt his tires were shot and he wanted to get on the primes. So he came in. Ferrari noticed that within a couple of laps, Webber was significantly faster so they made a snap judgement to call in Alonso.

The guys who got in between them came in very early after the SC, so unless Alonso was going to stay out for a long time and put a big gap on them, it was likely that he was going to end up behind them anyway, whether he came in when he did or stayed out a big longer. Their main rival was Webber, so he's the one they were watching.

It backfired on them, but there is definitely no conspiracy involved. To think there even could be more then stretches the boundaries of reason.

 

Stefano knows and has said so.


Again on that track Alonso could easily have held fourth even if it was nearly a lap down, so tyre performance did not matter a **** ... as it has no passing opportunities. They pitted because they are stupid and thought Red Bull were being clever with Mark when really they were ensuring he was fncked.
Pete

 

Mate we have 5 months to fill ...

Pete

 

Agreed about there being no cabal.
There was some talk that Alonso believed he was having tire issues and requested the early (ish) tire changes. Given the experience others (Hamilton in particular) had yesterday might it well be that his tires could have lasted rather longer? A lot of meaningless speculation I know but that's half the fun.

 

Absolutely, but it's really easy to say that in hindsight. I figured he would be Ok. I never dreamed he'd be stuck behind Petrov. I don't think Red Bull would know that before hand either. They rolled the dice and it worked, good for them, but no way that was planned.