I have to remember not to look at this thread on Thursdays, since I DVR the show and watch it Thursday night.
I'm not expecting much from him, but I'm just surprised the UFC gave him a second (or third?) chance.
Kos is a major d*ck! He's like the little boy who constantly needs to make his presence known. And why he keeps using gay connotations when trying to taunt GSP is beyond me. All of this will just make it so much more satisfying when GSP beats his ass again.
The flip side is - look at what a confident gentleman GSP is. The guy is a major badass and he just shrugs it off. As an athlete - as a human being - the guy is a role model.
He does act like a little boy and I don't believe is setting a good example as a coach to his fighters. I really like how mature and professional GSP is. I have new found respect for GSP after watching the show. I really want GSP to destroy Kos and I think that will just kill Kos.
And a gentleman is exactly how GSP came off when I met him at the airport a little while back. Soft spoken, humble, and simply just a nice guy. When I asked him if I could get a pic with him, it was no problem whatsoever.
Let's see your picks for this weekend; UFC 123: Rampage vs. Machida Date: Nov 20, 2010 Location: Auburn Hills, Michigan Venue: Palace of Auburn Hills Broadcast: Pay-per-view MAIN CARD * Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs. Lyoto Machida Machida has something to prove. * Matt Hughes vs. B.J. Penn Penn will be very anxious for a win after losing his belt and the rematch. * Joe Lauzon vs. George Sotiropoulos George, I believe, is one of the next big things in the LW division. * Tim Boetsch vs. Phil Davis * Maiquel Falcao vs. Gerald Harris Who the heck are these two, and what are they doing on the main card? PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV) * Matt Brown vs. Brian Foster * Mark Munoz vs. Aaron Simpson PRELIMINARY CARD (un-aired) * Dennis Hallman vs. Karo Parisyan Just to support Armen. * Edson Barboza vs. Mike Lullo * Paul Kelly vs. T.J. O'Brien * Nik Lentz vs. Tyson Griffin Tyson is relentless.
I just realized I have a UFC PPV fightnight ritual: Pizze, Total Domination IPA, baby wears his NAPOUT onsie.... I drink, mom watches baby: we all watch the fight. Times are good...
Just finished watching; sorry if I spoil... Stop reading now if it matters. 1. Under card was SO unremarkable. maybe a decent fight or two but... This shouldn't be decent; it should be good! 2. Penn kicked ass. 3. Machida got ROBBED.... I'm sorry, but Rampage might have been more aggressive, but Machida kicked his ass. Even Rampage thought so. UFC has some BS judges.
BJ was AWESOME, I love seeing Hughes get his a** kicked. I had Quinton winning 29 - 28. It could have gone either way. I just cant watch Machida. fighting backing up just doesnt sit well with me. Karo SUCKS!!! Dan, find me a better Armenian.
Kicked his ass? We must have different definitions of an ass kicking... Anderson Silva kicked Forrest Griffin's ass, BJ Penn tonight kicked Hughes' ass... Machida didn't do anything to Rampage, and I'm glad his stupid "elusive" style cost him the fight. Either way, good riddance - now Machida knows how Shogun felt after the first fight. I can't believe there was a time when we thought he was the future of the LHW division. Anyone else feel bad for Karo? That was a horrible stoppage. Also, the second they showed Penn walking out to the ring, I said he's gonna knock out Hughes. He just had that look in his eyes. Glad he won.
What an awesome night! So happy to have finally been there live. Great seats too, in a private suite, dead center of the Octagon. I got there at around 8, and was disappointed to learn that the 1st fight featured Tyson Griffin, which I missed. I still don't understand why they had FALCO/HARRIS on the main card, two guys whom I never heard of, and put on a very boring fight that the crowd was booing for most of it. There were easily 3 fights on the undercard that should have been on the main card before these two. Machida won. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. That was a lame decision by the judges. Even Rampage was shocked. Machida was robbed, plain and simple. Sorry Cameron, you got this one wrong, along with the judges. I was very happy with the results of the Penn/Hughes fight, I just wish the KO would have come in the 3rd round, where we could have at least seen some action. Penn was so stoked after the win. Good for him. I hope this is the new beginning for him. Sotiropoulos did not disappoint. I picked him to win, and he did so convincingly. I have to say, the guy's build looks like that of a 60 year old man! Odd to see, since most of these guys are ripped. Well, Karo came, and now he is gone, once again. I knew he had to win this fight, this was his last chance. He just isn't the fighter he used to be. Armen, Mousasi is your man. We just need him in the UFC already!
How did you score the fight? What on earth did Machida do in either rounds 1 or 2 to win? The answer is absolutely nothing, hence the loss. You can't just run around the octagon for 5 minutes and throw the occasional legkick or flying knee (that is subsequently blocked) and expect to win the round.
I had it 29-28 for Machida. My scoring was based on damage..........Machida inflicted a heck of a lot more than Rampage. I agree 100% that Rampage was the one moving forward the whole fight, however he didn't land nearly as much as Machida did. I really don't know how Rampage was able to withstand Machida's flurries, particularly there was one where I thought Rampage was going down. Even Rampage was shocked that he won..........I assume you listened to Rogan interviewing him right after the fight? So even Rampage himself was wrong??? I know you are not a fan of Machida and his fighting style, but don't let your bias undermine his effectiveness. It's no fluke that he was undefeated for fairly long, and became champ.
Too bad damage doesn't score. This was taken from Sherdog: Round 1: Rampage controls the center of the octagon and is the aggressor and pushes the pace of the fight the WHOLE round. Machida stays at a distance and does not engage. Majority of the clinch work controlled by Rampage. Rampage lands a couple of punches, Machida lands a couple leg kicks Criteria for scoring: Octagon control - Rampage took the center of the ring and cut off Machida Effective grappling - Rampage controlled the majority of the clinch and did more damage from it Effective striking - Even (Leg kicks Machida = Rampage's punches) 2-1 Rampage, therefore10-9 Rampage Round 2: Rampage is again controlling the center of the octagon and is constantly cutting Machida off. Rampage also controls the clinch work again and causes more damage. Machida scores a couple legs, but they even out with Rampage's punches. Rampage scores a takedown but does nothing with it. Rampage trips while escaping a throw from Machida at the end of the round. Criteria for scoring: Octagon control - Rampage again took the center of the ring and hunted Machida down Effective grappling: Rampage got a takedown, Machida got a takedown. Rampage did more work in the clinch so slight edge there Effective Striking: No real advantage to either man 2-1 Rampage, therefore 10-9 Rampage Round 3: Machida rocks Rampage, Rampage rocks Machida. Machida takes Rampage down, gets full mount, goes for an arm bar and Rampage attempts to slam him. Back on their fight Machida wins the clinch, then pulls guard. Rampage ends the round on top Criteria for scoring: Octagon Control - Rampage took the center of the octagon for the brieft stand up moments of this round Effective grappling: Machida got a takedown, got full mount, attempted subs, controlled the clinch Effective Striking - They both wobbled each other early on, but Machida utilized the exchange to set up his takedown 2-1 Machida, therefore 10-9 Machida Round 1: 10-9 Rampage Round 2: 10-9 Rampage Round 3: 10-9 Machida 29-28 Rampage Rampage won based on the UFC's own judging criteria. This is not the robbery most people are making it out to be. It was a close fight with not much action, but Rampage won the first 2 rounds because of his aggression, octagon control and work against the cage. Machida lost because he was stalked the first 2 rounds and cut off by Rampage Either way, no sense in arguing.
Well, it's a question of the scoring system, which has been a topic of discussion forever. What are everyone's thoughts on how the scoring system could be improved? Is anyone here happy with the current scoring system? Also, what do you guys think of increasing non-title fights to 5 rounds, and title fights to 7?
No way - keep it to 5 rounds. Don't want to see these degrade into boxing matches - it's already getting too standup oriented. I want to see more fights like the Brown / Foster fight - lots of back and forth grappling, scrambling AND striking. With respect to scoring - the system is fine. It's the judges. Many of the judges are not schooled in MMA - they are boxing judges and see things different. As MMA becomes more popular, and judges understand factors such as control, then it should improve. That being said, any time there's a human element, it become subjective. Think about how many fights have been disputed? I'll go to my death that Hagler beat Leonard...but the record still shows Leonard won.
+1 Couldn't agree more. Look at Gonzaga. He's a BJJ black belt all he wants to do is stand and strike. Not his forte. I gotta think the general trend to stand up is because it's more spectacular to watch for the average fan (and for the judges who are more accustomed to boxing) than grappling. What's ironic is that wrestlers seem to transition into MMA better than other disciplines so you'd think the trend would be towards grappling and the ground. IMHO 5 & 7 rounds would make for a much slower pace for MMA fights. Then you'd really hear the boos from fans itching for rock 'em sock 'em action. And I'm another that thinks Hagler was royally robbed in that fight. But Sugar Ray was boxing's pretty boy at the time and the one everyone wanted to win. Like they say 'take care of business and keep it out of the hands of the judges'.
It was clear to me that the average fan is clueless about MMA, and I say that because of the amount of booing that I was hearing while fighters were grappling for position. They cheer during standup exchanges, they cheer when there's a takedown, and they cheer when there's a submission.........they is no appreciation for the transitions at all.
The fight could have gone either way. I just cant stand Machida's style. YES, it's effective and Hey, who wouldn't want to "hit and NOT be hit" But too much moving backwards for me. Besides that, The 1st. round could have gone either way. Correct??? The second round, Quinton for sure. Correct??? The 3rd. round was Machida all the way. But DEFINITELY NOT A 10-8 round. Correct???? That's how I looked at it. ...And having 5-7 rd. fights... NO WAY. It would make the fights LONG and BORING. It's not like Boxing. MMA can be more compared to Wrestling when it comes to the actual physical ... (i can't think of the word) But after 6 minutes of Wrestling, You are DEAD! Boxing you can go 12 rds. cause the pace and energy you use is so different than MMA.
I think it comes more down to the gloves...........there's much more effect from the smaller gloves used in MMA versus the pillows they use in boxing.
Well the fighters know exactly how the fights are scored so that's not really any sort of excuse. I agree, the scoring system is flawed, but it is what it is, and what it is not is a system that favors fighters running around the ring for 5 minutes. There's times I wish certain fights would go a couple of more rounds (like Rampage/Machida), but I definitely do not agree with title fights going 7 rounds. By the 6th round, 99% of fighters would be so gassed I doubt we would see any action.
