What should I offer 09 Scud 1k miles

I don't think $190k offer is too much for an 09' scud. If I were looking for an 09' scud, I would hesitate to pay any number more than $200k. Good luck with your search.

 

I'm going to defer to an expert. Napolis puts wholesale at $170K, so why not offer $185K.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=140072509&postcount=31

 

$150k, if not accepted walk away, eventually it is going to get there. The longer you wait, the cheaper you can get it.

 

...and eventually the Dolphins will win a Superbowl...who is to say when either will happen but my opinion is that you should buy were you feel comfortable, Scott, and not worry about waiting annnnnd waiting annnnnd waiting for the bottom.. See, there isn't one on these machines. as far as an offer, no "comfortable" seller will sell an 09 with 1k for less than $200k IMO. so, if you are comfortable at $190k, would you both be happy at $195K if it is the right car for you?

 

Is it real or just a dream? Yes eventually....... but when?

 

I think Tuan is right 185k seems to be a good starting offer.

 

Balked and countered? Or out right rejected?

What was MSRP?

 

its not a game. If you really want the car and can afford more then offer more.

If the car isnt worth more than $185 to you then leave it be.

 

160

 

when? 3 or 4 years, when the new 458 Corsa shows up with its $300k msrp, 600+ Hp, 2,900 lbs.

 

I sold my 2008 Scuderia a few months back. I'm back in the market looking for a 2009 Scuderia. I'm offering $180-185K. In February I'll be dropping that number by another $10K. The problem with some Scuderias is that they have been sitting on dealers' floors for 6 months or longer. Dealers have too much money invested in the cars to let them go for $190K. That being said, I did make an offer of $185K for a 2009 with low miles. I know for a fact the dealer paid $215K for the car. The dealer wasn't ready to take a $30K loss but he didn't act insulted at my offer. I'm in no hurry so I'll keep trying. Your offer price of $190K is generous.

 

You should never offer, make them tell you what they want.

Think of it as a game and the first person to say a number looses. If they don't know the number they expect to sell it for then they're fishing and not selling. Every negotiation takes two side to participate, looks like you're the only one participating.

Buxton

 

Exactly. He would have balked at any first number offered.

 

In march 2010, I made an offer of $245k on the black 08 offered by Miller Motorcars. After being denied I bought my 09 scud from Gianni at Long Island. Today, Miller still sits with the 08....listed at $222k now. Most dealers aren't able to execute using logic

 

It will come around and you'll be happy you didn't pull the trigger in the heat of the moment rather with logical and rational thinking.

 

I think thats a good strategy, esp in OH. The dealer's gotta figure the car won't get much interest in Dec - March while there is salt/gravel on the roads. Furthermore, along those same lines, how much are you really going to drive it before March? I think the car is a piece of art, and I would pay to look at it parked in my garage while it depreciated, but there is a limit on this. If someone else who owned a Scud asked me if I wanted to pay him $10k to park the car in my garage and I wasn't allowed to drive it much, if any, and I'd have to give the car back to him 3 months later, no way in hell would I pay $10k for that privilege. Assuming the facts are true and you agree with the proposition, then there is no reason you'd be willing to pay $10k higher now than what you'd be able to buy the car for in the spring.

I realize I just injected rational thought into a F-car purchase, usually something that has no right in the decision or we'd never be able to splurge on these machines, so apologies! . That said, if the $ didn't matter and/or you really wanted the car now, the ~$10k price negotation wouldn't matter and you'd already own it .

Regardless, I'm wishing you the best of luck, and I promise to met up with you in Cinci one day to check out that beautiful Scuderia!

 

Dealers are faced with a dilemna. I've seen that most of their inventory is consigned. The stagnant inventory, for any who's looked, reflects the unwillingness of their owners to accept reality that their depreciating asset has fallen so much in just 1 to 2 years. Most of the Scuds MSRP'd close to 300K and many above that. Now comes the 2010 458 Italia. It arguably looks better, is faster, drives better, has more power, and priced less than the Scud. The 2011 Italia's are just around the corner, unless they're already here. The reality is there are fewer qualified buyers for both cars. Ferrari will build as many 458's as they can sell. The law of supply and demand has punished existing Scud owners. 458 owners will face the same reality.

The stagnant inventory only hurts the dealers, which is why they don't list everything on the internet. For a consigned car (offered for sale for many months), there is a point when the dealer will ask the owner to lower his asking price or simply ask the owner to take back his car. Consigned cars don't cost the dealers much in advertising cost, but it certainly hurts the value of their own cars that are floor planned. Buyers like Scott have a price point. Whether the dealers like it or not, he dictates the market value of these cars. Which is why so many sit unsold.

 

From my experience, many of the colder/snowy locales see a 'bump' in Ferrari pricing come March/April when the snow and roads clear.

I hate to take away from your logical post, but most owners and dealers I know already price in this 'holding' period in their negotiations. Now, if a dealer has already had a car in stock for a long time, they'll be into it wrong no matter what and these points are invalid.

However, for dealers in colder climates, I know many that are actively searching for inventory now, knowing that they'll (a) make a better buy now (b) have to carry it through the winter but (c) will get more for it in the spring by holding out.

Sorry, the secret's out

 

Why don't you just find one elsewhere? If the guy is telling you they're not at that level there, than try somewhere else. Just for kicks pretend you have one for sale and see what dealers would offer for one. I'll bet not much more than $170K if that, maybe $160's? Just go on the FNA site and see what dealer's have and start throwing numbers out there. It might take buying a car that's been turned in more recently to motivate a dealer to let it go for less? Wait until the end of this month or Jan., Feb. when zip is happening at the dealer.

 

I don't mean to be rude but where do people come up with these numbers? $150k-$190k for a 1k mile '09 Scuderia? Really?

I'm currently watching a dealer auction a 4k mile '08 Scuderia and the current bid has almost reached $180k.

Wholesale for an '09 is still +/- $200k depending upon colors/mileage and that's the reality.

Sorry...I'll get off my soap box for now

 

Thanks for restoring some sanity.