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Countach, the ultimate supercar

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  1. 365gt2+2

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    Interesting... i thought he was long gone from the company by the time the CT had evolved from fantasy to production car?
     
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  3. ApexOversteer

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    LOL.

    Allow me to be clear on this.

    I like Jeremy Clarkson. I watch everything he does, from Top Gear to his own tv shows and DVDs, to his appearances on various UK chat and quiz shows. I even try and read his Sunday Times column and magazine articles. I'm a big fan. After 8 years of fandom, including going back into the prehistory of Top Gear, I've come to know one thing about Jeremy Clarkson.

    He's out there to make me laugh, to make me smile and to entertain me. At no point does he expect me to believe a word he is saying just because he is saying it.

    He has regurgitated the same crap about the Countach that all automotive journalists do, and I'll tell you something about automotive journalists; They drive a car for an hour, or a day, or a week and then write a hyperbole filled article, exaggerating everything because they think the people reading their work are retarded.

    I've heard and read what Clarkson has said about the Countach, and the F50 (another car he hates), and the Mclaren F1, and the Jag XK220, as well as what other automotive journalists say about those and other cars.

    Then I've read what the owners say. These are people that drive these cars, work on these cars, live with these cars and they all say, almost to a man, that Clarkson is exaggerating some things he says about the Countach, and fabricating others.

    Who are you going to believe, the guy who makes his money by being a hilarious, willful jackass, or the owners?

    I choose to believe the owners.
     
  4. ApexOversteer

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    If you're looking for an honest look at the Countach from the media, I don't think you could do much better than Morley Safer's segment of a twenty-five year old episode of 60 Minutes...

    Part 1

    Part 2
     
  5. Olivier NAMECHE

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    DinoSR8LM,
    are you only watching TV reportage & article or did you also commit yourself in the ownership of a Countach to be able to judge and/or to agree with what Clarkson entertained us ?
     
  6. joe sackey

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    I missed this little nugget of misinformation. Totally untrue.
     
  7. jmela

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    You can bet the farm that after their mid 80's takedown of Audi ("unintended acceleration") that the 60 Min crew is getting nowhere near that factory again. PS, was Morley Safer even wearing his seatbelt?
     
  8. joe sackey

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    And how exactly do you know what shape these cars were in? Bottom line, they were both timed the SAME way and the Countach beat the Testarossa so your theory that a Countach is 327 cars behind a Testarossa is utter nonsense.
     
  9. joe sackey

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  10. DinoSR8LM

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    Joe Sackey, "This time posting is completely meaningless without knowing the spec and the state of condition of both cars.

    Tuned or standard? Well-fettled & fully-maintained?"

    I never implied the Countach was 327 cars behind the Testarossa, as another member already stated the times are only .2 seconds apart.

    Feel free to pm me to delete a post that you want deleted or need help understanding.
     
  11. zxttfan

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    FYI to all those looking for a project-the Canadian section has a thread on 12090 that's up for auction
     
  12. joe sackey

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    No worries, lets move on.

    I feel a certain responsibility to the community to point out erroneous claims about Lamborghini history. Lets focus on the most important point: there were no factory Countach Turbos built. End of story.

    My suggestion is that you read this thread. Within it is a wealth of information that will help you follow the advice you dispensed on the other thread. Countachs are great cars. Do they have their shortcomings? Sure, many great cars also do.
     
  13. joe sackey

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    Correct, in 1973 Ferruccio Lamborghini sold the remainder of his shares and he had no bearing upon production from that point onwards.
     
  14. The starting bid was lowered to 58K. Plenty of pictures & a decent description on that website.
     
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    Well, this thread has moved on from wing stanchions to turbos to Top Gear, but I have a newfound appreciation for this rare wing/stanchions. I guess it looked a little bizarre at first since I'm so used to the other kind. I must admit though, I find the trapezoids a little easier to swallow in contrasting black like on the Dallara WW car.
     
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    All though I do love all Countache versions, after driving both varients I also tend to agree that the LP400 is the least powerful and doesn't handle as well as the later wider tired cars. Here are a few quotes from the article.


    "The LP400's performance isn't quite impressive as years of expections would have you believe"

    "The first thing you notice over the LP400 is the difference in power and torque."

    "The QV is the one that has the most charisma, I would say. Pure Countache: the right engine in the right car"
     
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  19. ApexOversteer

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    Yeah the Sesto Elemento is nice, and it will be interesting to see what people think of it if they actually make that super limited run Wilklemann teased.

    One thing though, this is the Countach thread and we do like to stay on topic. If you'd like to discuss the Sesto, by all means, post in one of the threads about it, or start a new one.
     
  20. Olivier NAMECHE

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    1973 ? you meant 1974...
     
  21. DinoSR8LM

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    #8396 DinoSR8LM, Dec 10, 2010
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    I missed this little nugget. Ferruccio's bearing was that he ordered the cars for himself and there is only one left. Here are some great photos for the critics. Notice the Countach Turbo S logo in the engine bay and no tuner in their right mind would find turbocharging a carbureted V12 profitable, it's a tuning nightmare. Why else would Lamborgini allow it to be photographed with the exclusive Reventon? As another member stated he also left in 1974.

    More great photos with the license plate: http://www.exoticcars.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=204776&sid=9043983ba9fffa2ec0120d10268407e8
     
  22. joe sackey

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    Actually, the LP400 is not the least powerful Countach version. The LP400S S3 is. But, as we have been pointing out the Editors failed to secure any of the 3 LP400S variants for the test, making it significantly incomplete. The LP400 has the same output as the LP400S S1, LP400S S2 and the LP500S.

    BTW its Countach without the "e" on the end.
     
  23. joe sackey

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    No Olivier, I meant 1973, the point beyond which Ferruccio had no presence or influence at the Lamborghini factory.

    If you wish to get technical he sold the remaining 49% of his shares to the consortium (Zoltan Reti et al) fronted by Rene Leimer in April 1972, and he agreed to run the factory for the remainder of that year. So beginning 1973, he was gone, hence the popular and simplified reference that he sold the balance of his shares in 1973, but in fact it was months earlier.

    In an exclusive interview of Nuccio Bertone by Dick Ruzzin, Bertone confirms this time-line and sites the knowledge of his friend Ferruccio Lamborghini's departure at the end of 1972 as one of the reasons that the Miura production line at Bertone SpA in Grugliasco was dismantled.

    BTW, the first 51% of his shares in the car company were sold in the fall of 1970 to Georges-Henri Rossetti, although this too is often quoted as happening in 1971.
     
  24. raymondQV

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    #8399 raymondQV, Dec 11, 2010
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    Boy, stop this BS talking, you have no clue.
    The Reventon is owned by Lamborghini St.Gallen Dealership, the Turbo S by Didi G., of course I know also the owner of the Reventon.
    The story in Sport Auto has as much affiliation with the factory as the LP500s Turbo S #ELA12712 has: NONE!

    Even the licence plate is a fake, Max Bobnar still owns his dealership in Haegendorf and SO-303 is still in his possesion. The Sticker in the engine bay was done by Didi as all his cars wear a lot of stickers.

    Here is the story of this Turbo (one of about 10 worldwide) printed in the swiss magazine "Schweizer Illustrierte": http://www.countach.ch/History/Turbos/

    I have also 3 test reports about the LP400s Albert built for Max, in one the car has a austrian number written with crayon on a black plate.
    I can scan them, as I have the LP500S Turbo online.
     
  25. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Sorry Joe, I don't follow you on this... it didn't happen like you wrote !

    I've the real version from my personnal interviews with Tonino Lamborghini, then with the only one man present at these meeting between Ferruccio and Rossetti : Paolo Stanzani.

    Only one witness, remember Joe, only one witness.

    Paolo was the Director of Lamborghini SpA at that time, due to his position he made the translation to Rossetti for Ferruccio that was only speaking italian.

    I don't remember one of these people telling me that they've met you... as I've asked about. Each of my interviews are recorded.

    The detailed explanation will be released only in my book... the real and only truth about how it happened chronologically, everything else is pure fantasy or speculation !!!
     

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