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  1. mad dog

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    #1 mad dog, Dec 15, 2010
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    Well one way may be these washers on the top of the cam covers.
    I wondered why they had been stuck on in place. Of course they are not easy to hold in place and put cover back on if your poking them up from fuel tank area. Nay impossible - so the answer is to stick them in place whilst pushing cover up into place.
    May be other reasons I suppose??
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    #2 flyguyskt, Dec 15, 2010
    i was told by a friend of mine/ferrari mechanic that a belt change in a 348 with engine in is impossible....said he has tried it before.

    maybe someone else figured out a way i guess?
     
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    #3 mad dog, Dec 15, 2010
    Right I must change my sign in name, misguided loyalty to my old number plate. but how do you do that? This is for a 355 by way!
     
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    #4 PAP 348, Dec 15, 2010

    Can be done if you jack the engine right up (risk tearing/damaging engine mounts) or you can just unbolt engine mounts. But still a pain. :D:D

    I have also seen pics of people cutting out the section across the front of the lower pulley so they can remove it. :eek::eek:

    Rough as guts. Got pics on my other computer. Cant post em, mouse just crapped itself. :eek::eek:

    PM Rob Lay and ask VERY nicely. ;);)
     
  5. mad dog

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    #5 mad dog, Dec 15, 2010
    will do pap - your the man, even with rough guts
     
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    #6 GerryD, Dec 15, 2010
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    If anyone here who ever runs into a "mechanic" who says that he can do the belt service with the engine in should run out of there as fast as possible. The correct way is to remove the engine. But then there are always those who look to save any amount of pennies they can. If I was shopping for a 355, I would never buy one that had this kind of "3 stooges" service. Yes anything can be done. We probably could have used a giant slingshot to put a man on the moon too.
     
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    #7 SRobertMaser, Dec 15, 2010
    Yo Mate

    Are you near Oxford?
     
  8. cf355

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    #8 cf355, Dec 15, 2010
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    The cam belt change 'in car' has been discussed with photos many times before.
    Basically one jacks up the car, removes the gas tank, unbolts the engine mounts and then jacks up the motor enough (clears the frame member) so you can remove the crank shaft bolt and pulley with an impact gun.
    The t belts can be installed but it is not the preferred method as others have pointed out.

    Another 'creative' individual in the UK removed the gas tank and then cut a 5" hole in the frame member in front of the crank shaft bolt ....this method allowed him to replace the belts with out having to unbolt the engine mounts (and jack the motor up stressing various components). The 'hole' was a real hack job and I recall he covered the mess with some sheet metal and rivets. The photos were not pretty.

    To each his own, I guess
     
  9. mad dog

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    #9 mad dog, Dec 15, 2010
    who me? no.

    agree 348. but re 355 engine in change, our local ferari dealer now offers it as an option by all accounts.
     
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    #10 windsock, Dec 15, 2010
    Why bother trying, you can have the drive unit out in about 4 hours. Sounds like more work trying to do it in car rather then taking it out and do it properly.
     
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    #11 troy_wood, Dec 15, 2010
    Does anyone remember that 348 pic of a 180 degree hunk of metal cut out of the subframe to gain access...? Hilarious...
     
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    #12 GerryD, Dec 15, 2010
    Another reason why there are so few very nice 355s left. So many of them being abused and hacked by idiots that dont have a clue.
     
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    #13 PAP 348, Dec 16, 2010
    Yep, thats the pics I have. :D:D
     
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    #14 davehelms, Dec 16, 2010
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    No Truer words! There is already two distinctly different levels of used Ferrari's.

    "" but re 355 engine in change, our local ferari dealer now offers it as an option by all accounts. ""

    The gap just widened a great deal!
     
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    #15 mad dog, Dec 16, 2010
    I presume due to customer pressure re costs, but surprised me.
     
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    #16 Rifledriver, Dec 16, 2010
    Ther are no limits to which some will go, no compromises that some will not make to be cheap.



    I don't get it. If people feel like that it is why Toyotas exist.
     
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    #17 mad dog, Dec 16, 2010
    Takes me back to other thread though, where do you stop? Ive loved getting it out. but once out I just want to keep playing with it. If I had done a quickie via the tank it would be done and dusted ages ago.

    But all good things etc and as soon as rest of bits come its back in to get it out on road again. well actually into body shop to get some end season work finished off and ready for next year! roll on 2011....
     
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    #18 speedy_sam, Dec 16, 2010
    Not so hilarious to me ... dumbass previous owner
     
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    #19 troy_wood, Dec 16, 2010
    Forgot that was you Sam... Hey, the title of the thread is "How can you tell if you ve had an in car belt change?" ... You gotta post that pic again...
     
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    #20 vvassallo, Dec 16, 2010
    Just to show you that there are gel head dumbasses, we saw a 355 spider with the same treatment. One day, that subframe is going to collapse.
     
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    #21 speedy_sam, Dec 17, 2010
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234373

    It's in there somewhere - painful memories. Good news is that the car is all fixed and fantastic.

    Am grateful that Ferrari built a beefy subframe - even with that hole, I didnt feel any slop through several fast drives and trackdays.
     
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    #22 enginefxr, Dec 17, 2010
    The correct terminology is DSPO.

    Never had one that bad, but did have one here a while back where the previous mechanic (DSPM?) stripped 10 of the 12 bolt holes where the frame mounts, so he cut little flaps in the frame so he could put nuts on the backside.
     
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    #23 mad dog, Dec 17, 2010
    WOW!!! They know not what they do - but forgive them? Its hard!
     
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    #24 marioz, Dec 17, 2010
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    Makes me wonder how the engine can be jacked up about 4-5" & not cause damage to hoses & pipes in front of engine. I know you must undo everything but it sure is tight up there, perhaps you gain a lot of room once the tank is out. Does anyone have a photo of top of engine bay with tank out??
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    #25 AceMaster, Dec 17, 2010
    Why anyone would do an "in-engine" belt change defies logic, in my opinion. The engine and sub-frame are designed to come out for such a service, but I suppose it is human nature to always try and find a short-cut.....key word being "try", because in my opinion to leave the engine in for this service would NOT be a short-cut.
     

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