great looking Euro Dino GT4 on EBAY

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-308-Dino-GT4-1974-Ferrari-308-Dino-GT4-Euro-Freshly-Restored-RARE-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem336362f91dQQitemZ220710762781QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

 

Looks like a lot of money spent on the resto. I turned away a similar 914-6 because or the milage. But then aqain is that Km?

 

That would be the cheapest GT/4 available. Me like.

 

Why worry about the mileage? Look at the resto pics. Complete nut and bolt rebuild.

 

doesnt look that good to me the pic of engine bay that said it was detailed with the engine out does not look like much attention was paid here The frames look like they did not touch them, the engine looks painted. no tools, no pouch. to me a car for 30K would have all tools all books & pouch and be cleaner inside and out

here is my suspension a totally restored car would look more like this. Im not saying it is bad just not 34K
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Let's not forget Robert that your car is on the right side of the bell curve here. It all depends on your intention with the car. If you want a Concours car, this is not the one. Speakers in the doors are not correct, steering wheel is not correct, etc.....
However, if you want the best driving, most powerful GT4 out there, then a 1974 with a fresh engine/gearbox/suspension rebuild is the way to go. For all you guys out there professing that you want a nice GT4, this *might* be the one to line up on to take a look. (I know nothing about this particular car and have no affiliation with it)

There are no SN pics, but if it's correct, then this car (08128) is the earliest GT4 in the US that is known. I've not been able to find one earlier than mine in the US until now. There aren't that many '74's out there. I hope an FChatter gives this one a look! (and if you do, make sure you report back.)

FWIW, YMMV

JIM

 

first of all, i need to make clear that we have no vested interest in the sale of this car...
and i will continue to answer any questions posed by those calling me to ask about the work we did for the current owner...
but i figure i'll save us all time if i talk about a few things here since this thread emerged.
secondly, guys, please...you do not get a 'RESTORED' Ferrari for $35K...i did not write the Ebay ad...but it is 'for sale' ad afterall, so use your best judgement.

it was a lot of money...the cost was actually more than the Buy-it-Now price, but not by not by a large margin.
the current owner would be giving up money at the BIN, but not excessivley so...and it's just the price you pay when you flip a car that's just had so much work completed.
we had a well defined budget that wasn't too much more than the BIN, including the car, when we started the project...
and we all know that is no where near 'restoration' money.

i wouldn't know that for sure, but at that price the car does offer great value.
someone should buy it, drive it...and treat it to a top notch respray when the budget allows... because it will have no mechanical surprises in it's near future.

it was most definitely NOT a 'nut and bolt' restoration...but a mechanical overhaul, some interior work and an economical colour change back to a similar shade as original.
and you're right, the milage on the odometer should be of no relevance to the new owner...fresh motor, fresh gearbox, refreshened suspension, etc.

ya, the choice of some pics is odd, but don't let the body dust fool you Robert...the suspension might not look as pretty as yours, but it will equal it in every way that counts.
yes, the engine was painted, as per the customer directive...but careful, paint or no paint, that motor will leave yours for dead..guarenteed.
and considering all the interest from California, you'll likely see it, so you might get a chance to find out...or just call Wayne at Motion and ask him what he thought of it...
but what disappoints me is that you think $34K is too much...wow...
that's a very curious attitude from a diehard GT4 owner because you would know the mechanical work alone was worth more than that ...
would you sell your car (when it's done) for $30K ? even though it's just a US spec '75 ?
i hope not...i just sold my restored US '75 in the mid $50K range...which only covered my HARD costs...maybe...and certainly none of my own time.
and that's the sad part...because does anyone think it costs one penny less to fix a GT4 than it does a 246 ?
parts are parts and labour is labour...and the only difference is the 'market value' after the fact.

again, anyone interested in the car can feel free to call me to discuss it with you...
but i'm not the seller, i did not write the Ebay ad, nor was i consulted on it and we did not do a "complete restoration" on the car...
nevertheless, someone can get a really cool, fully serviced GT4 with a fresh, 'hot' motor for a very, very reasonable amount of money right now.

 

I think 34k is a very good price. I saw the car while it was still empty but what I saw of the body and engine was very nice.
I own a 74 euro and when I an done with ALLOT of work I will be close to 34k invested but it still won't be nearly as nice as this one.

Tool bag without tools? Who gives a ****.

All in all I think it's a very good deal. Someone who doesn't want to get their hands dirty like me is going to be very happy.

 

Great looking car and a good price too.

IMO

 

I'm still surprised by the low market prices in the US.

I paid roughly $40K for mine, BEFORE respray, new suspension, electronic ignition, new wheels, new exhaust....

$34K sounds like a good deal to me!!

 

"it was most definitely NOT a 'nut and bolt' restoration...but a mechanical overhaul, some interior work and an economical colour change back to a similar shade as original.
and you're right, the milage on the odometer should be of no relevance to the new owner...fresh motor, fresh gearbox, refreshened suspension, etc."

I meant to say nut/bolt resto on the engine/trans which are now as good as new, which is why there should be little concern with the 90k on the odo.

 

This is the problem with selling a Ferrari in this market. (And I know!) When eBay is full of cheapo beaters, good luck convincing anyone to spend another 10K on a great car. Hell, even selling a driver grade car at a cheapo price is hard right now!

I don't care for the color or the painted engine on this GT4, but it looks like a great car for the money. Just the engine work!!! I have two friends here in MA having engines rebuilt on their QV's and they are over $30K (both of them) on the engines alone.

 

Looks like a real nice driver. A little high on price though. I'd sell my 308 GTB for that. Total restore and all the docs, records, and papers from new. Just cause a guy puts tons of money in his car does not mean he will get it back out when he sells. I tell everyone who asks about mine that I have more $$$$$ than two and a half 308s and got one. That was when prices were up. I put 20K just in the back end under the deck. Good ones sell for less than they are worth, bad ones for more than they are worth. Spend wisely. Get the best car you can afford. You won't be sorry later. I'm not.
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hey Jim,
the current owner insisted on the 246 wheel...i had two correct wheels for the car but he wanted that one...it is in perfect condition, though.
speaker cut outs were there and we weren't recovering seats, door panels, etc.

SN is correct...imported from Naples in '85 by Frank Gatti...DOT and EPA paperwork is there.

um hmm...North American prices are at historic lows for 308's, Mondials, 400's, etc....and rather than capitalising, guys out there are still looking to undercut that...
they'll just have to learn the hard way i suppose...people will believe what they want and you just can't convince them of how expensive it is to bring these cars 'back'...


so is it a good deal ? absolutely...but you'd only know that if you've been 'through' it...and even though it's far from 'concours', it will still be a very good deal.

gotcha, thanks.

and contrary to the Ebay ad, we didn't have the cams "ground" to match the pistons...
we repaired lobes on both intake cams...each early motor we've had apart has suffered from the same thing...they're Factory spec though.

 

hey Birdman...everybody knows Silver is the best colour for Bertone designs...
kidding aside, i was reluctant (due to the interior colour) when the owner requested the colour change...but it really 'works' in the flesh.

and ya, we had to go deep on this motor...but it's fantastic...and again, somebody will get the car itself for free considering the work.

 

Whether the car merits a $34k price tag is open to debate (really only a debate that might make others feel good about their cars), but the fact of the matter is it is going to be extremely difficult to find a buyer for a GT4 at that price in this market (especially on ebay). 95% of 308 buyers in this market are looking for deals or steals (I was one of these folks), I am sure the merits of this strategy will be discussed ad nauseum on this thread as always on F-Chat but the reality is what it is at this point.

 

Hey Brett thats a solid move for you to provide a presence here with your work on display. I see about three dozen or so restorations on your website. Looks like painting the engine blocks is the norm for you guys. Is this something that you recommend?

 

doing what the customer wants is the norm for us D...some get painted some don't...
personally, i just hate all the various dingy grey's of the different castings.

recomend it ? that's totally subjective...but done properly it will last a long, long time.

i'll be out of the loop for the rest of the day guys...i've got to deliver a TR and collect a Mondial, which means the next 6 or so hours for me will be on road.

 

this is a good price for the car. whoever buys it will get the car for free, so to speak. the engine work on my 308 GTB cost more than that car! awesome color combo, too.

 

I can not understand how sone think a car in this shape and mechanically this good is too high priced?

It's a topic that will never go away, like a woman's ****, you keep flushing but it just keeps bobbing right back up.

 

@Brettski......I have the exact same wheel on my car!!! It is THE BEST wheel for the GT4, IMO.

You guys can debate this all you want, but AS AN OWNER who has put in excess of $20K into my car WITHOUT getting into the engine.....$34K for a mechanically gone through EURO motor and gearbox is a VERY, VERY GOOD price.

I say this because I'm looking at $15K for doing what I want to do with the motor, on top of the $20 that I have in it, not including the purchase price....I have a significan sum invested in my little GT4.
Maybe I should buy this one and flip mine...

It will be a shame if a FChatter does not end up with this car, what ever the price ends up being.

FWIW, YMMV!

JIM

 

I'm glad you clarified that "cam grind " comment, which was a real discordant note when reading thru the ad!!!!

I was thinking "WTF???"

 

Pretty happy with my steering wheel too

And yes, I agree. If I didn't own mine yet, I'd be very tempted....
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I really like the interior of the car but I would need a good long think about buying a car with a painted aluminum block....blasted clean with gentle media... yes, lovingly carressed with solvent soaked rags...yes, painted...no. I hope this practice does not become the fad.

Do I have too much aircooled engine in my bloodstream?

 

No, it's asking for trouble to try to seal cast aluminum surfaces, in my experience.

Polishing it to a high gloss is the way to go......

Paint the inside is benficial for oil flow, but when I slam my hood I could care less about the outside.