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Countach, the ultimate supercar

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  1. That last picture with the marker on the flair is the worst placement I have seen on any car. UGH!
     
  2. joe sackey

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    Man, that silver LP400S S2 (Greg's car) is stunning! The red S1 is 1121052, lives not far from me.

    At least the side-markers were there by Government mandate before most of the current crop of owners got their cars. Its a matter of removing them if & when the opportunity arises. Its the voluntary modification, especially with replica parts, that is unfortunate..
     
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    #8578 joe sackey, Dec 19, 2010
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    Reviewing Before & After status of various Countachs seems popular on this thread, so, I think this is 1121400 (shown a couple posts ago), and how it used to be.

    According to the ILR:

    "This is a carbed LP400S sold in February 2001 by Prestige Imports in Miami Beach, FL, USA. They were asking $69,950 for it at that time and had it listed as a 5000. It is a white exterior with a blue & white interior, rear wing and around 10,000 miles at the time."

    I remember looking at this car, and I have a library of images of its former condition. It had side-markers and an aftermarket aerial in the roof. The seats were dark blue with a blue mouse-hair dash and blue aftermarket carpets, yet the bolsters and center console etc were white. I think Tony also looked at it also and at the time it was falsely advertised by the sellers as a 5-litre car (Ill give them the benefit of the doubt - perhaps they were simply not sure). It is in fact an LP400S S3..

    Emilio, can you advise the original colors, including that of the interior?? I only possess S1 factory records unfortunately. I am very curious if the dark blue seats with the rest of the leather in white, is original. Thanks in advance.
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  4. EMILIO

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    #8579 EMILIO, Dec 19, 2010
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    Joe, sorry but i am not at home now so i have not the files here

    but i remember this white car was delivered to Emilianauto - Italy
    and the particular interior could be a special order for this very important dealer
     
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    Those were my thoughts, but we will see what your records say.

    Ciao Emilio.
     
  6. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Sorry to interfere in your dialogue...

    LP400s #112400 is recorded as 350th built, Bianco/bleu, delivered to Emilianauto on 11/11/1981
     
  7. joe sackey

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    No interference, thanks a lot in fact. So the interior was a solid blue, no mention of white, correct?
     
  8. Olivier NAMECHE

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    exactly, no mention of white interior...
     
  9. joe sackey

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    Grazie Olivier. Another piece of Countach history established.
     
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    Joe, you have a wonderful collection of Countach photos and your narration for each picture adds to the experience. Any chance you will release a Countach book? It would be a nice follow up to the Miura Bible.
     
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    Of course I would love to.

    But its a lot of work, and I'm just in the process of finishing a book on the 288 GTO for publication in 2011, so we are looking at 2013/14 at the earliest.
     
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    In some ways they were right:
    At that time a "Supercar" like the LP 400 or Ferrari 512 BB was a very rare bird on the streets and if you saw more than 1 or 2 a year you were lucky. Today cars like the Murcielago/Gallardo and/or Ferrari 599/Italia etc. are standing on almost every corner. The street were I live has 5 Ferraris.....!

    Those `ol days of the 60s/70s were much different than today when everything has to be political correct! Boring....

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    road and track said the same thing when they tested the LP400S vs Boxer
     
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    Absolutely **coontash**
    Can't wait to see a white interior

    The removal of rear US marker made a HUGE differece
     
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    Thanks. I will post images here.
     
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    Good points..
     
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    Joe, could you send me a high res picture of this page?
    Thanks
     
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    #8594 joe sackey, Dec 20, 2010
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    I will have my son scan it later and forward it to you..

    Actually, speaking of Supercars, the Miura and the Countach will always be the original standard bearers for Lamborghini, cars created under the influence of Ferruccio Lamborghini..
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    #8595 wildegroot, Dec 20, 2010
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    I took that picture at our shop. That's my reflection in the front deck lid. We did a bunch of work on that car. Here's another photo with Vito in the driver's seat. We have others but they're more personal.
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    Do you think "Ferruccio-era" cars will hold better value over time similar to "Enzo-era" Ferraris?
     
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    Definitely.
     
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    I agree with Joe. But I would like to add that the Enzo-era Ferraris are the most valuable for another reason (besides Enzo's influence)......because they are more rare! The subsequent Fiat-era saw production of Ferrari models increase massively. See the table below.

    In fact, the rare Fiat-era, and Montezomula-era Ferraris have seen strong appreciation and will always be very valuable.
    288GTO is a case in point imo.

    Accordingly, I think the Ferruccio era cars will be the most valuable for those two reasons, but I see the rare post Ferruccio-era cars (like the SE30), being strong long-term investments as well, just like their rare post Enzo-era counterparts.

    I'm afraid that high-production cars, irregardless of make, will keep depreciating for a very, very long time.

    Ferrari annual production numbers:

    1947: 3
    48: 5
    49: 21
    19: 26
    51: 33
    52: 44
    53: 57
    54: 58
    55: 61
    56: 81
    57: 113
    58: 183
    59: 248

    60: 306
    61: 441
    62: 493
    63: 598
    64: 654
    65: 740
    66: 665
    67: 706
    68: 729
    69: 619

    70: 928
    71: 1246
    72: 1844
    73: 1772
    74: 1436
    75: 1337
    76: 1426
    77: 1798
    78: 1939
    79: 2221
    80: 2470
    81: 2565
    82: 2209
    83: 2366
    84: 2842
    85: 3288
    86: 3640
    87: 3902
    88: 4001
    89: 3821
    90: 4293
    91: 4487
     
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    #8599 joe sackey, Dec 20, 2010
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    Great points. Allow me some comments if I may:

    - Rarity is of course a big desirability factor and the classics are just much more rare. But rarity alone is not the factor which creates value. An iconic status, amazing looks and staggering performance for the time have to combine. If this were not so, Silhouettes would be half-a-million dollars, but they never will be.
    - Some post-Enzo Ferraris are valuable, and they are the Supercars (288 GTO/F40/F50/Enzo). Same is true with Lamborghini. Some post-Ferruccio cars are valuable, such as the SE30. My feeling is that these cars are the limited-production no-compromise cars that symbolize state-of-the-art for the era and thus they gain a sort of cult-following and iconic status, and it is this which increases their value.
    - Current-era production cars are made in sufficient numbers such that they will always depreciate, indeed for many years to come. Id suggest for 10 to 15 years at least, unless they are part of a defined limited production Series. Once the novelty 'Halo' has worn off, enthusiasts in search on the 'latest & greatest' will set them aside in pursuit of the current new thing.
    - Then there are super-rare, one-offs. Such as Armin Johl's LP400S S1 (below) for example. The factory made just one exactly like it. Is it valuable? Quite..
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