I'm with you John. I had the 916 and if my memory serves me correctly it only cost me around 2-3k ish to do a full service including belts etc in preparation for sale.
It aint the 4 plugs that will kill you at service time. The V12's, as great as they are, are not for those on a budget.
I know you remember our last conversation about this, or do you? 355 belt change in place will save you no time and piss off the tech doing it. You even said your self that the cross member gets in the way. Who is giving who wrong information? As for servicing costs on Ferrari's, talk to a few service places, you will find someone you like and get on with, they will give you prices for annual maintence and you will be able to budget based on that. I would also recommend leaving a bit of that money to one side for unexpected maintence, 10% would be a comfortable figure.
We are getting a bit off topic here and moving into Bikes but yes I was told the same thing about the random stall issue with the bike - just get an exhaust and racing ECU and that will solve that problem. $3000 later after I got a set of Termi Cans, racing ecu and filter that damn thing still stalls and what do they tell me - oh you need the full racing exhaust including the headers thats another $3000 thanks. Ah no thanks, if I'm paying $30,000 for a bike it shouldn't stall regardless of what exhaust it has on it.
Clearly, you have no clue. It can be done with the engine in, it DOES get done with the engine in AND (hopefully this sinks in one day) in the FERRARI service time book that I have it shows time for doing it both ways. You'd sort of think they'd (Ferrari) know more than you. The time savings is significant and is a MUCH better idea than disturbing everything that needs to be disturbed for the removal of an engine. *yawn* as they say in the classics, wake up to yourself.
yes it is....mine's not coming out next time, unless there's some other reason for it when the time comes, like inaccessible oil leaks or something, and that, of course, goes for any model.
I think you had an incompetent and/or dishonest shop taking you for a ride unfortunately. What dealer or at least state was this in?
Ha Ha, yes I've been told that before but I'm not selling my models sorry. Your golden rule sounds like good advice. At my budget I certainly wouldn't be getting the best car if I choose a 360. I think maybe if opted to get something like a 308 ( sorry I know everyone is recommending a 328 but I just prefer the classic looks of a 308 over a 328 ) then I would certainly get the best example for the sort of money I want to spend and then I'd probably even have some left in reserve for any potential problems. My concern is putting 10,000kms / year on a 308. Not exactly the sort of car you'd want as a daily drive is it?
9 Ferraris? Do you mind sharing what models/colours they all are? Pics would be nice too, but I respect your privacy if you dont want to share.
I think Moretti has stacked a lot of km's on his 308. Not sure if he does 10,000 km a year in it, but may be close to that. He certainly drives the wheels off it. Also Kerrari has done a lot of miles in her 308.
I did 17000km in 18 months in mine, and it didn't miss a beat. I only suggested the 328 because it's injected, but a 308 is certainly just as good, and if you get a GTB, has more head room than a 328.
Settle down. The cross-member gets in the way, the time saving is only minor (translates into only a few hundred dollars labour costs) and that way of doing it is cutting corners. Do the job correctly and take the engine out to inspect and clean everything, the extra few hours work will be worth the 10% extra on the total of the bill. What does the book say regarding allowable time for this job? Tank out 18 hours? Engine out 25 hours? How do you change the water pump using this method if you open it up and find it has wept? If you find the cam seals are weeping how do you degree the cams after replacing the seals? Fitting cam belts as you well know is only a part of the job.
IF IF IF.....there are always IFS, but the engine doesn't HAVE to come out. my engine is new...I know the condition...the water pump won't be an issue. any other misleading comments you'd like to make? If I didn't know the car or had just bought it, I'd pull the engine just to check everything and make sure it's all ok (cam timing included) but after that it's simply not necessary to remove the engine as a 'routine service' which is what you're suggesting. if you want to waste the $1000-1500, that is certainly your right. Again, you're using 'short cut'.....that usually implies shorter time AND a poor job. It's certainly quicker, but there's no down side and there's no 'loss of quality' for doing that service with the engine in. anyway, you do your car your way, I'll do mine my way, but don't tell people that the engine HAS to come out, because it doesn't.
Yep,Karen,s car has only let her down twice in 8/9 years. The second of those(Xmas eve coming to pick me up from the airport) do to a misdiagnosis from the racq.
Fair enough. Where did I say the engine HAS to come out? You know your car is right and after my recent major I know my car is right. But if you are going to give advise over the Internet to a person looking at buying a car (this thread) then that advise is to budget for removing the engine at the major service, you have just said that yourself. BTW, I am not intending to mislead anyone here, I was thinking in general terms about a service on any 355, not your car specifically.
