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Where do one find a credible list

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  1. Cozmic_Kid

    Cozmic_Kid F1 Veteran

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    of the 50 most dangerous airlines in thr world?

    I can find plenty with the 10 most, but have no luck finding the 50 most dangerous ones.
     
  2. BubblesQuah

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    What make an airline "most dangerous"? What are they ranked by?
     
  3. donv

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    You could certainly rank fatalities by miles traveled.

    I would guess that the bottom 50 would be filled out by eastern block airlines and African airlines-- third world airlines in general are bad news. I doubt if any US certificated carriers would make it on to that list.

    On the other hand, Southwest has never killed a passenger in an accident.
     
  4. Rifledriver

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    Well then, what is their prefered method of doing them in?


    Food poisioning?

    Knife wielding Stews?
     
  5. donv

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    #5 donv, Jan 15, 2011
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    Killed by the other passengers, actually:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/20/business/business-travel-apparent-case-air-rage-southwest-airlines-ends-what-later-ruled.html

    They also killed someone on the ground when a Southwest aircraft ran off a runway and collided with a car. However, I assume the OP was asking about the safest airlines for passengers, and thus that wouldn't be relevant.

     
  6. Cozmic_Kid

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    Yeah I was thinking of a combi calculation of airline size/miles travelled/fatalities/years in service.

    I found 2 lists for the most dangerous and most safe airlines. But only 10 spots.
    List is made by JACDEC based on passengers and how much the airlines have travelled the past 30 years.

    Most dangerous.
    10: Skywest Airlines
    9. Philippine Airlines
    8: Thai Airways
    7: Turkish Airlines
    6: Korean Air
    5: Garuda (Indonesia)
    4: Saudi Arabian Airlines
    3: Gol Transportes Aereos (Brazil)
    2: China Airlines (not to be confused with Air China)
    1: TAM Linhas Aéreas (Brazil)

    Safest Airlines.
    10: Transaero Airlines (Russia)
    9: Emirates Airline
    8: Virgin Atlantic
    7: Air Berlin
    6: All Nippon Airways
    5: Cathay Pacific Airways
    4: Tap Portugal
    3: Air New Zealand
    2: Finnair
    1: Qantas Airways
     
  7. BubblesQuah

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    I guess that statistics can be used for anything.

    I'd fly THY any day before I'd fly say, Cubana, Iran Air, PIA, any sub-Saharan airline except SAA, etc.
     
  8. Gatorrari

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    I'm rather surprised to find Saudi, Turkish and Thai on the dangerous list and Transaero on the safe list. Yes, Turkish did have the one DC-10 disaster, but did that alone put it on the list?

    And considering that it's a rather generic name, is the Skywest on the list the U.S. regional airline?
     
  9. Cozmic_Kid

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    Turkish Airlines have had many crashes with fatalities the past 30 years.

    1983 crash with 47 dead
    1994 crash with 57 dead
    1999 crash with 6 dead. No passengers on the plane, but all crewmembers died.
    2003 crash with 75 dead
    2009 crash with 9 dead

    Saudi was involved in the biggest midair collission back in 1996 with an Illyushin. 349 died. in 1980 they had another crash that cost 301 people their lives. Then they have had some other incidents with little loss of life or none at all.

    Thai Airways
    1980 crash with 44 dead
    1992 crash with 113 dead
    1998 crash with 102 dead
    2001 plane blew up pre-boarding coz a wingtank exploded. Luckily only 1 dead.

    I am not sure what you mean by Skywest being on the list of the US regional airline.
    I know they have had 8 big incidents since 1987, 4 of them since 2007. Fatalities and no fatalities.

    Transaero was founded in 1990 and thus far there have been no crashes or incidents.




    My reason for posting this is because my brother and SIL are bringing her brother up here from the Philippines to work for them as an au-pair. They are talking about flying him on Aeroflot. When they told me I asked them if they wanted to get rid of him. They told me it's not a dangerous airline anymore. I was convinced they were wrong.
    But everything point in the direction that they are indeed a safe airline now. They have changed most of the fleet to American and European planes.
    Though Putin have pressured them to buy Russian planes again, which they will do.
    Still, they MUST figure on a top 50 list of the most dangerous airlines in the world.
    So I thought I'd ask the experts on here :)
     
  10. TURBOQV

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    You missed the one that killed 346 in March 1974. Had they turned on the autopilot they would have survived since the a/p controls are in the ceiling in the DC-10. poor systems knowledge are contributing factors. That crew failed their first checkride in type.
     
  11. Gatorrari

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    The problem with surveys like this is that a fatal accident that is not the airline's fault is still counted. In the case of the midair with the Il-76, I believe that either the controllers or the Il-76 crew were found at fault; I'm not sure which. In a case like this, the fact that the other aircraft was Saudi's becomes irrelevant.

    I seem to remember that the 301 fatalities were on an L-1011 that had a cabin fire while on approach and landed normally, but no doors were ever opened and all of the occupants were killed by the fire. Still one of the strangest airline disasters.

    There is a U.S. regional (commuter) airline also called Skywest. I gather that the one referred to in the survey is a different carrier.
     
  12. Cozmic_Kid

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    But that was more than 30 years ago. ;)
    The JACDEC stats only count for the past 30 years :)
     
  13. Cozmic_Kid

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    Yeah you are right that the Saudi plane was not at fault for the crash.

    You are also right about the Lockheed disaster. they all died from smoke inhalation.

    From what I can see, they are referring to the American airline. Many accidents and incidents.
     
  14. beast

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    There are 2 Skywest airlines that I know of The Skywest that operates as United Express, Delta Connection and off and on for a few other US major carriers.

    An NTSB database query shows that the US Skywest has had no fatal accidents.

    http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/Response2.asp?spage=1&x_page_size=10&sql=Y&p1=1%2F1%2F1980&p2=1%2F16%2F2011&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=&p7=&p8=&p9=&p10=&p11=&p12=skywest&p13=&p14=&p15=&p16=ev_date&p17=Desc&p18=&p19=&p20=&p21=&p22=&p23=&p24=

    Then there is SkyWest a regional carrier in Australia.

    I don't know much about there safety records.
     
  15. TURBOQV

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    Doors dont open when the cabin is still pressurized. He continued to roll after touchdown for nearly 3 minutes passing the rescue workers. Had they dumped the cabin perhaps there would have been survivors? They found the pressurization switch in Standby and the outflow valves closed. It took 23 minutes to open the fuelsage after the engines were shutdown in contrast to the FEDEX Newburgh DC-10 fire which evacuated in 20 minutes from 33,000 ft to landing.
     
  16. TURBOQV

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    346 dead is still 346 dead! 2nd worst accident in history. It is still very significant.

    We still use it in recurrent training when we fail manual control and expect the crews to turn on the a/p.

    many accidents are more than 30 years old and we still learn from them.

    Tenerife, Tigers 747 in KL, United 173, Air Florida 90, Delta 191, and so on and so on..........................
     
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