I refer everyone to the post by Simon^2 (made exactly one month before the car was stolen) in Tony's thread regarding his insurance rates. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wow, haven't been on Fchat a while myself and this just would be the first thread I'd read... Anyway, Tony, it's murderERs, people are murderers, not murders. Aside from that, you offered no explanation for the serious anachronisms that others have raised and I'm merely solidifying. **probable cause (interesting username) saw the car on Sat. morning parked, you posted it was stolen Sat. night. **And we can't discount him as unreliable, because wasn't it his original sighting of the car what let you and your friend (jmiff) to find it and identify it as being yours? **Simon wisely pointed out your 20-minute earlier post bragging about the car after you stated you knew of its theft. Seemed like a very jovial posting for having just been robbed of your prized possession. Why? **The car couldn't have been reported stolen if there was a tow-tag on it from the police -- that's one of the first measures they would run on seemingly abandoned vehicles. Why did you not report it as soon as it was gone from your house?
again, in my experience that is not the case in dallas; they dont really care. my car was reported as stolen in Dallas' systems by license plate and vin number the car had been reported as stolen/abandoned from the church it was left in by church staff that saw it and knew something was up tow trucks had come out and picked up the car according to church staff when i called them the officer on my case could not confirm that the car was picked up or where it was until the next evening. the police department told me they would not dust for prints and to contact my insurance company.
What'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis? I had this bad boy way before 1998 and I was only 8. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Agreed. It's the addressing of these accusations brought on by odd actions which will sort of exonerate the entire situation. There seems to be so many of these threads where people are not addressing the issues brought up, but simply proclaiming their innocence. I believe Tony is innocent, I just wanna know what's up with these really odd happenings addressed above.
Some of these are not odd. For anyone jumping in late, I think some things need to be cleared up before jumping to conclusions. Tony said he did not know the car was missing until Sunday morning (8-ish). It's quite possible the car was gone on Saturday night and he never knew. So, posting something 20 minutes before finding out is reasonable. In fact, it would seem pretty reasonable to post it that way thinking his car was still in the garage. No, it was first sighted by Probable Cause who announced he had found the car and where it was -- right here live on Fchat. Tony went to see the car at that time and was off line. So, it's incorrect to say someone else spotted the car first. Jarret went to see it later and take photos. If Tony reported it stolen on Sunday morning, the car could have been tagged on Saturday night or Sunday morning before the report came in. And, as many have claimed here, the DPD doesn't have a good track record of being aggresive with car thefts without injuries or signficant property damage. Probable Cause does say he saw it Saturday morning while Tony said he drove it Saturday night. This is the biggest discrempancy between the two. But, it's not completely unreasonable that two people can look at the same thing and remember events differently. Probable Cause was just a curious observer at the time and Tony didn't even know his car was missing. Both could be a little wrong. I can't see anything to be gained by Probable Cause if he's lying. It is possible though to be simply wrong about the time or date. True, he has very few posts but he's been a member for years and seems to check out. And, he never seemed to know Tony so it's difficult to find a reason for revenge. There are some absolutes though. Someone must have reported the car behind the McDonalds. That would clarify at least when it was first seen. And, if there is any video, that might help to find out who abandoned it. There is still the big remaining question about how the car was started (loud pipes and all) and moved from Tony's townhouse without anyone noticing it was being taken, including Tony himself who seemed to be home. These two issues still remain unresolved between the two parties. But, a lot of the others have a clear explanation or are just wrong.
But he posted both this and the "Ice Ice Baby" on Monday, a day after he knew the car was gone and reported it stolen. I also find it strange he posted in the 348/355 section and not a word in the Texas section. If my car had been stolen I'd post where the most help could be gained.
this is no mystery, back around the same time as my theft, a friend of mine had a turbo civic SI with an open downpipe and a puck clutch. he was always paranoid about it getting stolen so he parked it infront of his balcony where he would easily be able to hear anyone trying to take it. he was watching TV, went outside to smoke and his car was gone. someone slim jimmed the lock and pushed it through the apartment complex he lived before breaking the steering column and starting it up.
Now, you would THINK that a guy who was doing a scam since Saturday would be smart enough not to post anything just before announcing his car was stolen, wouldn't you? Odd yes, but only that. The Texas thing.. that's a wash. Putting it on bold caps on the 348/355 section certainly got everyone's attention. If you look at the post, he's warning other 348 owners to look out for parts on Ebay for him. That's a logical thing to do if you want to warn others and possibly find the crook. To me, the weirdest thing in the world is that someone on Fchat actually spotted the car and told everyone. That's like a one in a million shot.
See... a logical explanation. Without seeing Tony's actual residence, it's possible. Again, the biggest discrepency is Tony's account of when the car went missing and Probably Cause's report of seeing it abandoned. Those two times do not line up by a good 24 hours. Someone is wrong or lying. There can be no other explanation.
Sure, but not impossible. You don't know the terrain. Given the keys were in the car, the guy could have just unlocked the steering wheel, took it out of gear, and coasted it out of the garage. Or, there could be two people involved in the joyride.
Three things from this thread: 1) When attempting auto insurance fraud, keep it on the down-lo. Making a scene on the internet will not help you. 2) People have way too much confidence in police. 3) Older generation Ferrari + easy access to credit = lowest common denominator as the owner.
Another thing to point out is Probable Cause. No one knows him from Adam. For all we know he is a guy with a hard-on for Tony looking to make life difficult. Without the evidence, who knows really. It's his claim to have evidence and vivid testimony which is really interesting combined with the somewhat odd happenings around Tony's car.
Dang, I wondered how long it would take for someone to go there! No, Scotty. I'm not an accessory. Thanks for asking though.
I would say that's not true. Although he hasn't posted much in 3 years, he has PM'd quite a few and they believe him to be who he is. He does appear to own a 355. If he was "laying in wait" for Tony to have a problem to confront him with, it's sure a bizarre circumstance that Probable Cause found the car first and then was able to make his attack. No, I think it's credible. Like I said, someone is mistaken or lying.
I think there's one other thing here that needs to be said. Ok, let's say Tony is trying to commit a fraud. Then, why even post the theft here? What's to be gained? He doesn't need us as an alibi. In fact, we're more of a liability. The least said about your involvement in a crime, the better. He would have to have done it for some tactical reason to throw people off the track. Well, that's a bit silly as he already contacted the authorities first (if he's telling the truth). If he's lying, someone for sure will find this thread and confront him with it. I can't think of a single reason to let us know aside from maybe trying to appear "normal". But, is it normal to post twenty minutes before Ice, Ice Baby and then decide to announce your car is stolen? Something doesn't add up here. And that adding up actually works in Tony's favor. Ok, maybe he's just stupid and not doing "the crime" very well. Or, maybe he's saying what he knows to be true and we are just outside observers making a wild accusations. To me, either could be true. To say it's definately one way or the other is impossible to justify.
who says there werent a few guys? i would bet at minimum 3 guys did this if it was pushed down the street before started. if they had something like repo guys use it would have taken all of 30 seconds to snatch this car. open garage. back truck up to car. drive off with car. dont know if you can embed youtube videos here, but here you go: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn2G5HTxpxM[/ame] if the car was backed in, all they had to do was put it in neutral and undo an ebrake. if it was driven in normally they would not have even had to do that.
Well we have a ways to go, to link a roll back wrecker snatching it cleanly, to two females a wino saw dumped an undrivable car with a flat and damage....
