PLS HELP.. my 360 stopped completely on the road several times so far while driving..

Dear All


can some PRO/EXPECT or any F model car owner encountered the same problems like mine before?

my car was UK spec (and it imported to malaysia), and my car bought 6-7 months ago thru grey import dealer in malaysia

my car spec:
F360 (F1 gearbox)

- "engine check" icon light up all the time <-- started 3-4 months ago until now, i bring it to my country's authrozised F dealer - Naza Italia service center to check and the very kindness admin helped me to fix the light-ed on problem but the next day it appear again until now still lighting up

- "F1 gearbox" icon blink occasionary <-- this problem pop-up few days ago



and this is the problems i have with my 360:

1) stopped completely on the road several times so far (it's like blackout (the engine turned off completely) completely on the road and car cannot move further right it BLACKOUT, but i was lucky these few times as i drove slower(30-40km/h) and no car behind me and the car just stuck in the middle of the road and this scared me very much , but what if i m on highway and driving fast speed and the engine turn OFF by itself, and the car from behind will hit me and it's very dangerous for me

any car owner has the same issue before? do u think it's the I.C./CHIP has problem and cause this or maybe the electric not goes smoothly and caused this or what could be the possibilities?


2) "F1 gearbox" - it blinked 3-4 times in a row even during driving, sometimes it blinked during at junction or waiting for traffic light, i cannot ENTER the 1st gear if gear is at "N" position, and i was nervous and press and release the BRAKE padel several times only then it can ENTER the 1st gear

does any car owner or PRO see this issue before? what could be the possibilities causing this?


3) does any member can tell me is there any EXPERT workshop /foreman in Kuala Lumpur/Penang (malaysia) who is good in repairing F1 gearbox and the engine TURN OFF problem?

i have brought my car to a pg's foreman to check(he seems like the only foreman i know who can repair ferrari in PG) but he said he dont see anything weird about it and the worst problem is this engine TURN OFF problem is not happen that often, i almost drive the car daily or 2 days once, and so far i have met 3 times ENGINE BLACKOUT problem in this 6 months, i think it's hard for foreman/tech to see the problem bny themselve, but is there some PRO can advise maybe which part of the car might cause this engine BLACKOUT so maybe i can forward to foreman so they know where to start digging the problem further




can some PRO/Owner/Tech-Admin who encountered/seen these issues before be kind to tell me what could be the problems ..

i have problem myself now, i have a bad feel about dont know when the car will just STOP in the middle of the road again and this scare me from driving it

thanks for taking time to read my post, hopefully members here can kind enough to give some valuable inputs


thank you very much


Ben

 

Hi Ben,
Any codes after you restart the car?
When it shut down, what are the status on the panel board?
It happened to me on a m3, believe or not it was caused by a bad key ignition module. Every time I drive the car hard or bumpy roads the module shut the car down and the status on the dash board was like when you have the key on start position without turn the car on.
Maybe you can start from there?
It is hard to diagnose problem without having the car and see so e other behaviors.
Good luck.

David

 

Hi Ben, sorry to hear of your problems. It seems to like you need to find a mechanic with the correct diagnostic equipment to read your fault. There should be error codes stored in the computer which should give a technician a starting point fir repairs. You need someone with an SD2 (and knows how to use it) in order to start to find the cause of these problems.

Good luck.

 

I don't have a 360 but I would think your Ferrari dealer SHOULD be able to diagnose and fix this. There should be error codes in the computer, and if the people at your dealer don't know what they mean they should contact Maranello

Jim O

 

hi Ingpr

no WEIRD code appear after i restart the car, it's just like re-start the car like usual (all those like CHECK OK and other regular codes appear only)

so ur M3 has the engine completely TURNED OFF problem during drive speedy or slow (and ur car just stop in the middle of road)?

and in the end, did u able to fix it ? tech fixed the "key ignition module" ? do u think my problem could due to the wires loosen or malfunction I.C./CHIP issue ?

thank you for your fast reply

Ben

 

hi FerrariDublin

thanks for your fast reply

is SD2 the computer equipment only available at authorised ferrari dealer service center or non-authorized service center might have it as well ?

thank you
Ben

 

If you are lucky enough to have an independent mechanic who specialises in exotics then yes they should have an SD2. The units are reasonably expensive so not every independent is going to have one but someone who specialises in Ferrari Maserati, Lamborghini etc probably will or will have access to one when he needs it.

Have you tried posting in the regional section of this forum? Doing so would probably put you in direct contact with Ferrari owners much closer to where you live. Here's the link............http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49

By the way, your gear selection problems sound like they could well be related to a worn clutch or to impending failure of the F1 hydraulic pump (or a number of other F1 related problems).

I suspect that your "engine dead" problems are an entirely different issue. The engine shouldn't ever die in a rolling situation so it's not your typical Check Engine Light (CEL) situation whereby an o2 sensor is throwing a code etc. All systems in the car are designed to "Fail-Safe" and what you are describing is most certainly not safe! It could be something as simple as a loose wire or connection or it could be something more complex like a component that is overheating and failing sporadically. You could try and rule out the basics by checking the security of as many connectors and plugs as possible but the problem with doing that might be that you will cause the issue to bury itself for a period, thereby making it harder for your mechanic to find the ultimate cause. Obviously the car is extremely dangerous for you and other road users in it's present state so I wouldn't advise that you drive it until you have a definitive repair.

 

hi FerrariDublin,

thanks for ur valuable inputs,


I suspect that your "engine dead" problems are an entirely different issue. The engine shouldn't ever die in a rolling situation so it's not your typical Check Engine Light (CEL) situation whereby an o2 sensor is throwing a code etc. All systems in the car are designed to "Fail-Safe" and what you are describing is most certainly not safe! It could be something as simple as a loose wire or connection or it could be something more complex like a component that is overheating and failing sporadically. You could try and rule out the basics by checking the security of as many connectors and plugs as possible but the problem with doing that might be that you will cause the issue to bury itself for a period, thereby making it harder for your mechanic to find the ultimate cause. Obviously the car is extremely dangerous for you and other road users in it's present state so I wouldn't advise that you drive it until you have a definitive repair.


i was driving at 20-40km/h when the "ENGINE DEAD" , i think u r right, maybe it's the wire or connector problem

so u think this ENGINE DEAD wont throw any error codes in their computer ?


" it could be something more complex like a component that is overheating and failing sporadically. You could try and rule out the basics by checking the security of as many connectors and plugs as possible but the problem with doing that might be that you will cause the issue to bury itself for a period, thereby making it harder for your mechanic to find the ultimate cause."

do u think the ferrari authorized dealer service center can found out the problem, and i feel that this issue it very hard for mechanic to find it out because it doesn't happen often and only 3 times in 6-7 months so far, but i know it's very dangerous the entire car stop in middle of the road and this scared me from driving it now..

thank you for your input

Ben

 

Hi Ben,

I'd love to be able to help but I'm afraid I'm out of my depth.

Generally speaking, as I understand it, anything that throws the CEL or the F1 light should log the event in the computer.

I do feel that your engine dead problem is not your typical failure and so I suspect that it's entirely possible that no error code is logged for that.

I'm sure the problem can be found but (unfortunately) it might not be easy. Personally I'd be more inclined to try and find an independent mechanic to try and fix this problem. No doubt your authorised Ferrari dealer will charge by the hour and possibly just swap out different components until they finally achieve a fix. An independent, in my experience, is more likely to actually check and test and use good old fashioned logic to achieve the desired result.

Do try posting in your regional area to try and find someone who is held in high regard.

 

hi FerrariDublin

i will bring to an independent mechanic to do a slow check..

thanks for ur advise

Ben

 

Your engine is being shut off by the F1 control unit, because there is a fault. In technical terms, if your clutch is extremely worn and goes over PIS (a measurment used by a sensor attached to the back of the clutch) the control unit will shut the engine down to prevent damage to the gearbox. It could also be a gear position sensor failure on the gearbox. If you have no luck getting it fixed PM me, i will be able to help you....

 

I know some cars have "limp home" modes that dramatically slow the car, but actually shutting it off completely? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

I agree - engine shut-off would be just too damn dangerous - doesn't happen in the event of oil pressure failure so I don't see it happening for a worn clutch. A worn clutch isn't going to damage the gearbox either, it's just going to slip and cause an ever increasing loss of traction between engine and gearbox.

Nor have I read any other reports of this dead engine syndrome but we've all read numerous posts about F1 warning light, failure to engage gear, shifting to neutral etc.

 

those two problems are most probably not related !

you probably have a bad ground somewhere...or temporary no ground at all

do not drive the car until you found the reason for the engine cutting out !

 

It DOES switch off the engine. It will do this to prevent damage to the gearbox if it detects "clutch over P.I.S". Imagine trying to shove a normal manual gearbox into gear without depressing the clutch pedal....expensive damage would result. That's why it switches off the engine. The T.C.U stores the shut down occurence as a p-code that can be read by the SD2.

 

F1 gearbox is smarter than that, it's not going to initiate gear engagement if the clutch isn't depressed.

 

Are all the battery connections tight? Is the ground (black) cable loose where it fastens to the chassis/body?

Friend of mine had his 360 keep conking out at intersections and such, and after several trips to the dealership (on a flatbed truck) they finally traced it to a loose ground connection.

I'm not familiar with the electrical system on the 360, but I'd certainly check for a loose ground for starts.

 

ben,have you considered some of the independent workshops here in singapore? there are 2 0r 3 that have sd2 and sd3 testers and have mechanics who have worked previously for the local ferrari dealership so they do have the experience and equipment to do the job. in fact 1 of them , i think exquisite marques, has a workshop in kl so they should be able to solve the problem there.

i have a 360 cs that had problem with f1 pump and gear position sensor.car could not engage gear properly but i dont recall engine shutting off completely,sounds like electrical/ignition related problem but im no techie.

 

btw u may want to consider posing your question on the 360/430 section also. probably more chance of owners there having experienced the same problem. read 1 thread where a 360 owner claimed car died due to key fob/alarm immobiliser /battery faulty.

 

Erm...that's my point....
If the clutch sensor measurement is deemed unsafe/incorrect, it shuts down the engine. I can post up reams of boring printouts from my Ferrari SD2 Tester to show you how/when if you like?

 

A friend of mine had the same problem on a 360 6spd many years ago and it was a bad ground connection. I would suggest you check and clean all the ground wires.

I used to have a BMW with an SMG gearbox and the default (failure) position for the gearbox is N for that transmision but I believe the F1 is also N. I am familiar with and have driven the Ferrari CS F1 box and it works the same. They are very sensitive and can produce a failure mode even if your flywheel/clutch is slipping, temp sensor fails or gets hot, fluid level is low or even if your rear main seal leaks on your clutch.

I had many headaches over that transmision and even the best factory diagnostic equipment was not able to pinpoint the failure. I had a dual mass flywheel that became lazy and the computer would get confused and drop the trans in N, and the clutch was perfect. In my opinion the car became unsafe and my wife didn't trust it anymore so we got rid of it.

My point... it could be any number of things. I hope you have a could diagnostic tech.

 

I've read many tens of threads on F1 problems, including gear selection problems, failure to engage gear, dumping back into neutral, flashing F1 warning lamps etc. I've never read of the engine being shut down in sympathy with any of those issues.

To the original poster, Ben, have you made any progress and if so can you share your findings at this time?

 

Engine shut down is a failsafe for F1 systems. Those of us like Eddie and myself that actually work on them see it all the time. It is designed to shutoff the motor when vehicle speed first goes below, I believe 10 kph after a serious fault.

If you have not seen it or heard of it maybe it is because you are lacking in experience?


Do not discount the advice of those that clearly know more than you.

 

You learn something new everyday!

This also include the 355, 430 etc.etc???

Cheers guys.