Is there really no difference between 06 and 08 besides standard CCB?

I couldn't find any others during my research. Maybe improvements in problem areas, like exhaust brackets and manifolds, but nothing a TSB didn't fix. Color availability could be another, but with most folks buying red, yellow or black, it hardly matters .

Will keep an eye on this thread out of curiosity; maybe I missed something.

 

the shifting mech has been altered and is much faster on late 07 and up. the f1 pump also runs another mechanism. The result is slower shifting and greater chance of f1 pump failing. Fixing this is almost is as expensive as the price difference between the newer model 06 to 07.

 

also the clutch tends to wear a little sooner on 06 and ealier models. I was at lake forest sports cars. I was talking to the master f tech, Jeff. These were some questions he answered for me, as i will be exchanging my 612 for a 430 in the next 9 to 12 months.

 

Six speed manual resolves the issues.

 

Jeff is a great guy. Was visiting from Australia and he took me through the workshop. What a facility - simply awesome

 

I am not buying it......please show me the difference in parts and the difference in TCU performance. The Scud is different for sure as I have read it from proven credible sources on this board. But please make technical claims with actual credible facts to back them up. You have 30 posts are you in any way a Ferrari mechanic or expert. If so I am very excited to gain from your experience......Thanks.......Steve

 

Exactly < ha ha>. By the way, I was referring to manuals not having any changes. I read something about F1 changes too, but didn't pay attention. The funny thing is the threads I've seen about F1 problems were newer cars; makes you wonder if the changes (if any) were for the better, but most of the time is just more abuse IMO. Good day gang.

 

Buy it, seriously!

I did my research when shopping for an used F430, I ended up with a new Scuderia.

The MY08 F430 (late 2007 cars and newer) got major revisions on the drivetrain related to clutch, E-DIFF and F1 Trannsmission problems reported in the 2005/2006 cars.

Here are examples:

Clutch: 206500 old part 222090 newer part
flywheel 230425 new part
e-diff old part 200928, newer part 207545, current part 238598

They also changed solenoids, sensors, it is all documented, I have the parts list for the 06 and 09 cars (electronic versions).

 

Congrats on the Scud, would have been too hardcore for my wife. Thank you for providing some facts, I appreciate it. Would these changes be included in any campaigns covered under warranty or were early owners left hanging out to dry?

So when it is time for me to get my clutch done, I expect I will get the new parts except for the e-diff and some others.

So I should get some of the improvements as part of expected maintenance. I would hope things should last for a bit longer after the updates and thats OK since an 08 would have cost me 30-40K more. I have 9K on the car with 70% clutch left so the dealer says so we will see......Thanks again......Steve

 

And many others judging from problems reported on Fchat.

Dave

 

fully agree with Steve! I have no concrete evidence that there is any difference between the 05-08 models in terms of F1 hydraulics and certainly no difference in terms of shifting speed....The prove is that my 05 manual has the latest version of the F1 hydraulic pump which is still origin. I wouldn't mislead future buyers by saying that the lastest 430 models have a better F1 hydraulic system which isn't true. But if I'm mistaken, I'd be very glad to receive some concrete technical details, part numbers and photos of the previous and latest F1 system
Stef

 

The complete F1 assembly #199458 is an old part, current part is #232406.

Part # 220244 hydraulic actuator and the F1 pump (#179533) (the $10,000, $6000 pieces respectively, and the most expensive components in the F430 F1 system) have remained the same since 2005.

The expensive hydraulic lines between the pump and actuator were all changed. This is another expensive bill ($7000 for parts and easily $9,000 if you include labor). An example, the original #179340 line in the 05 F1, was superceeded by 232407, and later on by 248096. These 5 lines are components of the F1 hydraulics

 

Thanks for the additional info. I had not read anything about the hydraulic lines failing, but would hope they do not just explode all at the same time......Thanks.....Steve

 

You can find the answers by going through the parts catalog and noting when parts change at a certain Assembly Number, Engine Number, or Transmission Number. Then someone can publish the results fro the F430 like those attached for the 575M. Handy when comparing cars. A bit of work, so nobody will probably do it.

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/parts_catalogs.php?M=FE&V=model&I=79

Taz
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Cool, thanks for these details. Now we're talking . Taz has a great idea, it's to put all this info together as he did for his 575M. That would be a good beginning of a buyers guide for those who are looking for a F1 version. I'm wondering now how much have been changed on the manual as they use exactly the same hydraulic pump.

 

Is the pump for clutch assist on the manual version?????

 

Makes sense they updated some parts over the course of 4yrs. I bought an 05', I was looking at an 07' with all the same options and colors and could have got it for $22k more than I paid, an 08' would have been a good $30k+ more. I considered these price differences seriously. I knew I wouldn't get an "personal enjoyment" out of the new models, but also knew I would re-coup the extra cost when re-selling. I also figured the newer models would have been a tiny bit more reliable and under warranty for at least the 1st yr. of ownership. Hopefully, buying an older car, that has all the campaigns already completed, it will be close to owning a new model. It is really just shifting dollars from when you buy to when you sell. If horsepower or ****ing times were better from 05' to 07' I would have opted for an 07'.

BTW, I still can't resist looking at my car when I am near my garage. It has only been 4 days since getting it, but I hope that feeling stays with me for a long, long time!

 

I was told there is a noticable difference between the late o7/08 vs. an earlier version. I suggest you drive both back to back and decide for yourself.

 

No, the F1 pump is used for the E-Diff also. So, on the manual you have the same F1 hydraulic pump which serves only the E-Diff. The main difference between F1 and Manual is that this F1 pump on a manual doesn't need to work a lot. Pressure is identical though, 70bars.

The clutch used the hydraulic system of the steering.

 

Does newer and different F1 parts mean that the F1 is more reliable than before? Maybe only more efficient? Does anyone know why these parts numbers have been changed? What's the technical difference between older and newer parts?

I believe we would have a better understanding if we were able to collect such information rather than just change in part #. An upgraded part number doesn't mean that a root cause has been resolved. Take the exhaust brackets as an example. The newer brackets don't crack anymore, great. But now that the exhaust is attached so rigidly, it does crack your exhaust headers! Does it mean that an upgraded F430 is better than a 2005 model? Hmmm not sure some upgraded parts certainly will make the car better, some others I do doubt.

 

Yeah, from implying the whole assembly was different to just lines is a BIG difference .

I have a manual here, but just wanted to comment I don't know about Ferrari, but most other manufacturers who change vendors also change part numbers, so a different part number might not necessarily mean a different part, but maybe an expert can chime in on that. Good day folks.

 

Something is different, because you can't hear a pump charging up when you start a manual.

Dave

 

Dave- The pump pressurizes the F1 system when you open the door so you can shift into neutral for start (or so the system can do it for you) and hold the clutch open. No need for something similar on the E-Diff.

Normally there would be enough residual pressure to shift to neutral and hold the clutch open, but not always.

Good question for Stef or Brian. Does F1 hydraulic pressure hold the clutch open or closed or both?

Taz
Terry Phillips