Aventador!

This is what motortrend said about it:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/1012_midnight_run_in_lamborghini_murcielago_replacement/index.html

"..Aventador is ready to cushion its occupants with eight airbags, including knee bags for each and, we're told, the scissor doors have an emergency opening system in case of roll-over."

 

Fact remains frame-less windows are old hat, even for Lamborghini (!) contrary to what was being suggested by Miura Jota.

 

i aree Joe. they are a bit compromised. but then again, if they reverted back to Miura doors, you'd have a thousand babies here throwing toys out of the pram.."what, a V-12 flagship Lambo and no vertical doors?"

 

wow. the Lambo hate force is strong with this one myself, i must have terrible taste in cars...that's why my name would be on the roadster waiting list in half a heartbeat if i had 400k.

 

one look at the rolling chassis says it all. see how massive the crash structures are? with all the current and future regs to deal with, loaded with all those airbags and electronics, that the car will weigh in a bit less than 3,600lbs wet is a huge feat in my eyes. very impressive wgt to stiffness ratio of the main CF tub and the overall rolling chassis, given the price point vs performance goals. and the wicked high revving 500lb monster NA V-12 ....those super heavy headers and primary cats gotta go immediately. but yes, you can see how they will easily drop 200-300lbs for the future 'light wgt' SV version, or whatever update they undoubtedly have lined up.

 

I feel like I'm pulling teeth... I guess my response is "why can't we be told"? Is there some sort of detonating bolts or what?? Why is this "major safety advancement" a well kept secret??

-mick

 

I quite like the car, especially in that color. It may be a bit recycled from the Murci/Reventon, but still a great looking car.

As far as the doors, I'm agreeing with people who are doubting the safety benefits of the doors. I think they are ugly and would much prefer the scissor doors. I wonder if they are catering to the aftermarket crowd, especially since Lambos seem to be popular in China right now.

Chris

 

The door's design didn't have to change. They could have employed the technology utilized on the Mercedes SLS AMG.... There is a youtube video of it somewhere, but I'm unable to link in this post at this moment... Late for gym...

 

This is the video of the SLS AMG doors in a rollover (2:20 is the rollover)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMNVVHI2ZNg[/ame]

 

Yes, exactly. An interpretation of the "blow out" system the SLS uses would have allowed the doors to open vertically and keep the integrity of the original design.

 

The problem here is that we are back to the assumption that the lack of true vertical doors on the Aventador is somehow related to safety - and again I ask how?

-mick

 

Miura Jota suggested nothing of the sort. You chose to read it that way. The actual statement was pretty open ended so I'd say, as we're in a thread about the flagship V12, the benefit of the doubt is in order and we should assume we're talking about the doors under discussion. I think you were a little quick off the mark there.

 

I'm with you - the safety thing sounds like a red herring.

 

The styling of the F458 is completely new and original and looks damn good and fresh. Lamborghini just "Borrowed" some styling cues from the Reventon, Gallardo and Murcielago, slapped em together and this is what you got.

I agree the FF is terrible but to be honest its not the same league as the Aventador. When ferrari finally gets around to releasing the Enzo Replacement we will see. Right now I don't like what I see with the LP700. Further more Pagani did a great job with their Zonda replacement. I wish I could say the same for Lamborghini.

 

Agreed on that.

 

Agreed on that too.

 

Sorry, but I saw it as pointedly suggestive

 

What, you mean when they took one of the quintessential dramatic supercar shapes and made it all fat, bland and dumpy? Is that the one you're on about?

 

I see your point. The Aventador has grown on me since I first saw it at the private unveiling. I am forced to think Lamborghini (or more like VW/Audi management) tested some design elements on the Reventon expressly to facilitate the Aventador design. I saw no point at all in why the Reventon exists (exactly the same mechanicals as my LP640 but more than 3 times the price!!!) and still do not like the way it looks. I am going to wait to see how the Aventador ages in time but I like it for now mainly because of the combination of the more edgy styling than the Murci it replaces and the underlying technology (CF monococque, ISR transmission, new engine, packaging of the interior etc.). Perhaps they (Lambo/VW/Audi) followed more of the Porsche 911 evolutionary design philosophy...

 

As we all know, car design is an art. Marcello Gandhini produced a masterpiece in the Countach that was nothing like anything before it. This does not happen offten. These car companies now have to think about maximizing the chances for commercial success and that often reduces the risk they are willing to take on new designs. Boutique manufacturers like Pagani need to worry less about volume so they produce more daring designs, IMO.

 

True, why mess with a good thing?

Chris

 

Nice music -- nice exhaust sound.

Guys...the cluch work wasn't that bad! Sheesh -- if the car can't take that it's going to have a lot of problems.

Fun video, Thanks,

Fred

 

Surely the real (only?) reason for the new "out & up" doors is that the frameless windows necessitate it. You can't have a frameless door that goes straight up. The glass has to be released from the groove and then has to clear the aperture as the door rises.

I agree that the safety issue is a red herring.

 

You might want to explain that to my Diablo Roadster. I guess its been doing it wrong all these years. Putting the sarcasm aside, the roadster's frameless door has a door "ECU" that lowers the window about 1 inch as the door is opened so as to clear things like the top edge rubber seal.

-mick

 

Yes, but the Diablo Roadster's windows aren't fully frameless, are they? Isn't the A-pillar section part of the door? The Aventador's window design is different and the A-pillar isn't part of the door.

It's the same reason all after-market "Lambo" doors on Gallardos, Hondas etc all rise at an ugly angle - so the glass can clear the A-pillar groove.