Who knows what about BBi values today?

How can you be the "twenty year original owner" of a 27 year old 1984 car?

 

A 1984 BBi with I think 5 or 6k miles in #2 condition sold for 88k including buyer's fee at RM in January 2011. Here is one point of reference for your research.

 

the prices in the usa are significantly lower than in europe, with the ultimate irony being that they are usually of better quality!

 

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It took just over a year but finally sold our psycho clean and tidy California from new BBi. The car was a unique color called Rosso Metallic but that does not even hint at the interesting transient shade of "off-red" the car was painted in.

The car had low mileage, zero paint or interior work. Still had plastic on the sills and every moment of the car's life from before even before being assembled to the present documented by all original notes, records, log-book, correspondences, service bills etc...

It was a California from new BAR sticker car and sold new through an authorized Ferrari dealer with Factory Warranty (No idea how the original owner pulled that one off!)

Anyway, of the 100+ BB/BBi's to go through our hands, this was about as darn nice as they ever get.

Asking price was reduced a few times over the past 12 months and last quoted asking price was $119,000.

Hope that helps.

Bill

 

proves my point. best place to buy a boxer is in the usa now. the prices in europe are at least 50% higher

 

Bill, I saw that car at your place several times, I thought it was an outstanding color. Did it stay in Ca?

Mario, I would think your car would fetch a nice price relative to the market, but it might serve you well to market it in Europe for better results.

 

Hi Mario.
The market for boxers is definitely much stronger in Europe than the US. The UK is a bit skewed value wise, being a country of RHD like Ireland. LHD cars that come up for sale in the UK are typically sold into mainland Europe, a reversal of previous years, when the mainland Europe market was depressed, many UK buyers sourced LHD cars in Europe and imported them to the UK, as in the 90's and early 00's the UK market in exotica was very strong.
Exchange rates play a major part in this market shift, I bought a 72 Pantera in California two years ago, and even after shipping and import duties, it was still a bargain because I got almost $1.50 for my Euro! Although the rate is lower now for a European buyer, combined with the low prices in the US, it still makes sense for a European buyer to look at the US for a car such as the Boxer.
Typically, prices in Europe start at about 90 to 100k Euro for a good LHD car with reasonable mileage, and rise to 150k Euro for excellent cars.
On the duty, that varies from country to country, even at 30 years old, the car may still be liable to VAT(value added tax),which is a sales tax imposed on most goods except food, unless it was originally sold new in the European Union, in which case VAT would have been charged at the time, and it cannot be charged twice.
Check out the following two sites, they are popular with European buyers, to get an idea of prices.
Steve
http://www.mobile.de/home/index.html

http://www.autoscout24.eu/

 

do not expect too much overhere...

asking prices have nothing to do with real sale prices
nobody is really paying these prices some people dream of...

that`s why most of the boxers have been offered for a year or two (or three) now without moving
(same with most of the 330GTs, Dinos, 250GTEs, 330GTCs...)

 

Greece is in EEC, and I guess that your car has already its Greek taxes paid ?

If they are, keep all the records of its Greek registration.

Yoiu won't have to pay again taxes in any other EEC country.

Including so, if you come back to Greece with it.

 

Just to come back to the topic, here an interresting link, not a BB512, nore a 512i but however interresting :

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM11&CarID=r204&Currency=USD

Any idea why such a price ?

Car really paid ?

 

Mario
Like Michael says above, asking prices do not reflect actual sale prices. I am unsure what sale prices are in Europe for LHD cars, but in the UK, there has been a steep rise in asking prices for RHD cars. They are not selling however. I have been thinking of buying a Boxer again(third time!!!) and the price agreed if I was to buy was over 20% less than the asking price.
Also, you do need to establish what taxes, if any, were paid in Europe when the car was new.
VAT will be charged on importation, but only if it was not paid previously.
Along with that, each European member state has it's own system of duties charged on vehicles, new and used. Ireland charges Vehicle Reg. Tax at rates varying from 12.5% to 38% of the vehicles value in the Irish market. Vehicles over 30 years qualify for a flat charge of €250 But that is Ireland only. You will need to contact the authorities in the country you wish to bring the car to, and establish what applies there.

 

2 friends of mine sell their Euro 365GT4BB.

Red-black cars.

EEC taxes paid.

One is quite Concours cond. : 120.000 €

The othe one is very nice : 110.000 €.

Nobody.

My BB that just went through a 32.000 € restoration : 115.000 €

 

I'll give it a loving home, next to my three 308GTBs....what color is it??

 

The early cars command strong respect among the cognescenti....I was offered the FIRST 1976 5.0L 512BB and I sure wish I had been able to purchase it.

The banks all yawned.........then laughed.

 

Call me cynical, I am not "buying" that price. I guess it is as possible that the car sold for that as it is possible that no shill bidding goes on at eBay...

I certainly wouldn't use that price as an indicator of the market for 365's or any other Boxer. I wish.

 

It's an opinion, indeed, but 2 other "different" indicators :

- 2 Dino 246 GT's did 160,000 € + @ 19% taxes during Retromobile's auctions

- 1 ESpada for 72,000 € + 19% taxes...

And down there, in Europe Daytona's have climbed to 220/250,000.

 

Well, I agree that "Auction Frenzy" and sitting on a corner car lot are not the same thing!

Who knows???

 

The Auctions House.

When it's paid, or not...

 

Hi Mario,

I wonder if I've not pics of your super BB on my other PC...

As regards your observation about air con., mine runs perfect, and it's only a 1980.

If you need further infos about sales... maybe this link could be useful :

http://www.classicdriver.fr/fr/service/6050.asp

If you do need any translation, pls do not hesitate.