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Lots of passing this year

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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    ...another thing I read in Euro F1 magazines:

    They expect the tires to be degrading so quickly, that not only 4 pit stops become necessary, they also predict that many drivers will get caught out on destroyed tires, limping back to the pits (or the finish line) and thereby become easyly passed.

    KERS and movable wings are seen as minor influence this year, completely shadowed by the drama unfolding with tire degradation.

    Gosh, I can't wait for Melbourne.
     
  2. bigodino

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    Okay so who are the smooth drivers out there? Button?
     
  3. joker57676

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    I hope four stops is an exaggeration but I wouldn't be surprised. In either case, I do not think anyone can blame Pirelli since they produced what was asked of them; blame should be squarely on F1's shoulders.

    Mark
     
  4. DF1

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    Lets make sure the engines degrade fast next year as well. Heaven forbid we alter the pathetic Tilke dromes to actually make racing more fun. Sad. More contrived passing in the pits rather than on the track. Team orders are now legal so we all know what that means. The team fave also gets a pass rather than earning it. F1 is a circus now and Im the clown for watching.
     
  5. VIZSLA

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    Four stops?
    It will be Bedlam.
    Pirelli had better be redesigning the tires now.
     
  6. tifosi12

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    The article mentioned that it will get very confusing for the audience trying to keep track on the tire changes etc.

    Pirelli allegedly takes the two tires from Barcelona to Melbourne: Soft and hard. So expect them to degrade in Australia just as bad as they did during testing where clumps of rubber were found next to the line.
     
  7. classic308

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    FIA wanted these tires and Pirelli delivered; degrading tires is not real racing. REAL changes need to be made to the cars....

    If the FIA owned funeral homes no one would die....
     
  8. VIZSLA

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    Be careful what you wish for...

    We won't know how its going to shake out yet but I see confusion, redesign and a lot of "it wasn't my idea"s.
     
  9. nsxrebel

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    Last time I checked, tires were part of the car.
     
  10. Wolfgang5150

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    This multiple tire option has gotten way out of hand. Why the f do they need 6 different types?
    Make 1 style of tire; let everyone adapt their cars to it.
    The fia wants to control costs yet this creates the opposite effect. Teams have to do unreal research & development to understand all this.
    Plus it's so damn confusing to the fans.....
     
  11. Tifosi15

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    Won't this also require a whole lot more tyres than almost ever before? I'd rather have tire companies spend large sums on tire wars like in 2006, not donuts that fall apart on purpose.

    I am fearing that nothing is going to happen in the way of racing this year, there will be huge masses of clumped rubber off line and cars being held up behind others whose tires are shredding. Maybe the sprinklers are wanted because it would wash the tracks off... Of course we'll see if it works but I'm slightly disenchanted
     
  12. tundraphile

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    If it was NASCAR, they would red flag the race with 10 laps left and sweep the track before a restart ;)
     
  13. kraftwerk

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    I think I will see how it pans out before making any judgements.
     
  14. classic308

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    varsha will have a field day with this and the return of KERS...
     
  15. VIZSLA

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    Killjoy!
    That's not how the web works :D
     
  16. kraftwerk

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    LOL, quick fixes rarely work.

    Landmines on the track ...maybe...;)
     
  17. GordonC

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    That's my worry as well - these tires will marble so badly that even if a car behind is 5 sec a lap quicker they won't be able to overtake, because going off-line will be like driving on ice.
     
  18. tifosi12

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    Nope: The new Pirellis disintegrate but they don't lay down much rubber that would make the track any faster. It is expected that the grip off the line is still as bad as on the line.

    And since the tires disintegrate so quick, there will be drivers caught out nursing their cars back to the pits and thereby becoming easy targets for being passed.

    I envision scenes similar to the last year of the turbo era (remember Imola or Monaco?) where front runners suddenly are caught out and the positions start to tumble.

    If these predictions (as made by the article I read) are true, then we're in for an insane season.
     
  19. Remy Zero

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    I'm all up for the Pirellis. I don't know why many people are complaining about extra pitstops, etc. I mean, this could solve out sunday parade problems...
     
  20. VIZSLA

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    If that turns out well maybe we can require that pit stops incorporate parallel parking and tire changes by the drivers only.
    If there isn't enough action on the track we can provide it in the pits. :D
     
  21. tifosi12

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    I'm not complaining. I'm looking forward to this chaos.

    If I can't have sprinklers, degrading tires is the next best thing. :)
     
  22. vintageracer27

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    If you loved the Montreal race last year, you will love the season this year. That race was the genesis for the "increased wear rate" approach for this year. Of course, the teams will come to terms with the tires during this season so each race will not be a complete surprise (like at Montreal), but it is a preview of what we can expect.
     
  23. Remy Zero

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    Relax mate..i wasn't aiming at you :D
     
  24. tifosi12

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    Three races in we have now seen the effects of the new rules/technological changes:

    Yes there is a lot more passing and a lot of it is down to the suddenly degrading tires.

    However I wouldn't call KERS and DRS a minor influence. This stuff rocks! I just wish they'd allow the use of DRS everywhere on the track.

    PS: Careful if you respond to this thread as it has no spoiler warning.
     
  25. iamthesimpleone

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    Any chance of them upping the tire allotment per race? 3 of each type just doesnt seem to be enough now.
     

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