I'm new to the F1 transmission world. In general, how reliable are these boxes... 2003 and newer? Any common failure trends? Thanks.
The F1 in my '02 coupe (now pushing 40K miles) has been as reliable as it gets in well over 4 years of exceptionally happy driving. Zero issues of any kind, nothing but routine maintenance. The manual guys like to think they have it more reliable, but I am afraid I cannot confirm that hypothesis.
My buddy had a 02 Spider with 45k miles on it. Transmission was still in great shape, just had normal clutch changes. Now he has a 03 Coupe with 34k miles on it, just had it's third clutch installed in October. Shifts even better than the 02.
That's not normal. I am at 20K and still on my first clutch. I am commuting in traffic every day now and it has had track time, the rotors are ready to be replaced. Clutch is still good to go.
I know they kept improving the F1s over the years but I agree that 11K is rather a short lifespan. I have an 05 430 with 9800 Miles and I have 70% left on mine if the readings are correct. I would hope for 30K at least.........Steve
First clutch 0-12k miles Second clutch 12k-32k miles Third clutch 32k-...... I guess I should of said it had it's second clutch change at 32k miles.
Better, but not good. 16K instead of 11K. My 430 has 19K on it with no sign of a problem. It is a stick however. Dave
Looks like it will be 19-20k for a clutch for my 2002 F1 Spider. Asked my F mechanic. He said the F1 is truly an amazing engineering feat and would get the F1. I got the F1 bcus I wanted variety...all 3 other cars are stick. I really enjoy the the F1 but admit it's not a daily driver.
I agree with Phil: the car seems like it was designed around the exotic F1 transmission. In response to those who claim the 6 speed has less headaches than an F1, read this thread: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149344 There's no free lunch...
If we're talking about 360 F1 clutch mileage, the following was posted 1/27/10 10:39 AM by Rifledriver in answer to (paraphrased): "How long will a 360 F1 clutch last?":
I have had two F1 failures on both my cars. Both cars, the F430 and the Scuderia required new F1 repair kits which included new F1 pump, actuator and some other parts. The Scuderia also received a new F1 transmission control module. My experience with the F1 transmission is not the greatest, but I still love both cars.
man, to the guy getting only 10-12k miles on each clutch.. what you doing with that thing? i have 32k on my maserati (i believe it is starting to go however, a little slippage.. maybe get 35-38k out of it) and pushing 17k on the ferrari 360 with no signs of slippage and 50% left.. likely get 30-35k out of the ferrari clutch also I think the guys getting 10k out of the clutch are doing something godawful when driving their cars..
I have never experience any type of clutch problems in any of the cars I have owned and that includes the F430, mine is manual. The 360F1 had some glitches but those went away as soon as the clutch was replaced.
I think the average clutch life in 360s is around 20k miles for most F1 drivers. My buddy just bought the car 2 months ago with 34k miles on it. The first clutch lasted only 12k miles which is less than the average of 20k miles. We attribute this to a woman being the owner of the car at that time . The 2nd clutch lasted 20k miles which is the average. So I don't think that's anything out of the ordinary.
My ferrari 360 has now 56000km (35000 miles) on the clock and the car keeps going in to Neutral for the last few months now. Went to the Ferrari dealer and they say my clutch has 56% left on it. They should have made some changes and should have been better, but it's wors, a lot! What will a new clutch set me back, they say about 3500$ but I fear it will be more. I just had a big overhall last year and that was 8000$...
Are we talking about reliability of the transmission or clutch wear? Can the premature clutch wear that some people are experiencing be a result of a design, mechanical or manufacturing issue; - or is it solely based on driving habits and driving conditions - or both? What would be considered an acceptable failure rate for each model car given the total population of F1 transmissions? How about an acceptable rate for "premature" clutch wear? Just thinking out loud...
It's difficult to separate the two so maybe it's appropriate to be talking about both. The two most important factors in F1 clutch life are by far (1) correct installation & adjustment and (2) most important of all is driver technique. Recent thread covering the topic is at http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316605. No real answer to these since driver habits and technique are basically the ball game. Treat'er right and she treats you right. Treat'er wrong and....
2003 modena (61K miles all mine) F-1 service: Fried clutch sensor (about 50K miles) and new electric F-1 pump (about 55K miles) Clutch: still using the one installed at the factory! 61K and counting.
I like manual cars but I think a manual F430 is moving backwards. The car was designed around it. Like taking the fuel injection off and putting on carbs. Besides the manual car has an F1 pump. The F1 pump was replaced on my car too. It's a Ferrari I did not expect it to be a Toyota. If a big repair is not something you can handle a Ferrari is not something you should do.
Can you guys please share how much you paid for these various F1 repairs, be it just clutch, or pump, or whatever. Thanks!
It's like saying an automatic watch is moving backwards, because quartz movements are more accurate. Heck, some of the most desirable watches have purely manual movements . It's just a different flavor of changing your gears, just like buying a coupe or a convertible. Going back to carbs would be backwards, however . Hey, not all technological advances are necessarily better. You could get your wife artificially inseminated, but where's the fun? Ha ha. Manual cars are more involved and fun to drive, but as with everything in life, there are drawbacks. The only one I can find (for a sports car) is they shift slower than the latest automatic ones, but unless you're racing competitively, you don't need one. They're always going to be less reliable than a manual for the simple fact they're more complex. And by that I mean less prone to failure, because both, as anything else mechanical, can fail. And if one fails, the more complex one is going to be more expensive to fix. Finally, for people who don't have a dealer anywhere close (me , and like either transmission, I bet the INCONVENIENCE of a problem rates much higher in their priority list than affordability, making a manual the obvious choice. If you're heavily biased to either camp, that's not going to be an issue. Good day gang.
Interesting. Thanks. I didn't realize that some people were having that much trouble understanding how to drive an F1. Neither the 360 or 430 manual seem very instructional when it comes to such matters.
