The Fchat Exit Poll: Who DID You Vote For?

Was wondering when someone would bring up a US/Canada comparison. Are you seriously going to paint Canada as a wealthy paradise now? Canada is still living in a major credit bubble that hasn't busted like the US one. The Canadian middle class has been shrinking for 30 years the reason your eyes do not see it yet because they are maintaining their lifestyle through huge levels of debt. Wait for that to burst and it will look just as bad as the US. Not to mention everytime I drive through Toronto Im greeted by crumbling roads and homeless aimlessly wandering around + some of the hoods looking like they are out of a 3rd world. I guess I forgot to wear my rose colored glasses when in Canada.

 

i think this is a bit of a stretch -



yes the middle class is shrinking, as it is in the US -

Lets face it, no system is perfect, but throughout human history, our current system of democracy has proven to be the best. Please tell me when in human recorded history we have had such a balance of human rights and freedoms - Roman empire ? Spanish empire ? the French empire ?

Things arent as bad as you say, the sky isnt falling just yet, and nobody is pulling you out of your bed at 2am yet holding you hostage.

You dont need rose coloured glasses - its pretty rosey already in this country. If you ask me, too many spoiled people in this country .

 

All I can say is that you should get some kind of glasses any seeing kind of glasses. Canada is so far ahead of the US that our dollar should be at 1.50 to the US dollar but its not because the same people that caused so much of the crap in the US are controlling the currancys too. Canada is miles ahead in so many ways it makes me wonder where people like you keep your head burried. There is no bubble worth talking about in Canada simply because we never had subprime loans and our laws are not so slack as in the US. Guys like you keep talking about the US like its a Roman Empire. Well it aint no more. The empire is falling fast. The federal reserve has and continues printing so much money that it is not even worth its weight in confetti. The bubble in the US still has not completly burst, wait till it does. Canada is one of the top 3 countries to live in on this planet.

 

Glad someone else said it first. Ive been hearing this "just you wait and see when the Canadian bubble bursts" for a few years now. I'm still waiting.
There is a reason many foreign countries are looking to Canada to see how out banks are run, it ain't cause we give mortgages to everyone making 35g's a year, whilst they have their SUV, bass boat and all their furniture on credit. To top it off thy are making I even tougher to get a mortgage.
Maybe I should take off my rosy glasses, but here in Toronto things are pretty good, the roads are getting better, that was more a piss poor municipal union ass kissing government fault. Make a call now, 24 hours later the pot hole is fixed.

Real estate slowed for year, people were scared of what they were seeing in the states. Prices didn't plummet like there, infact they are on the rise again. Now though a 1 mil house sells no problem. In the meantime Lots of people decided to reno instead, its a boom market for renovators.

Hoods like third world countries lol. Your profile says your from Burlington, ever been to downtown Hamilton? It has seen better days.

The homeless, wandering aimlessly, what the hell do you expect them to do, run errands? Though I did trip over 2 of them just last week, they're everywhere guess I couldn't see them for the glasses.

 

Correctomundo!
BTW all the homeless in Canada are here in Toronto because they know we have more spare change than anywhere else. I think we have about 83 homeless and 79 or them are under 25.
And yes he does say he is from Burlington but thats just so he can come up here for real health care at no charge.
The only bubble that is going to burst here in Canada is Iggy's when he get dominated on May 2nd. Infact it would not surprise me to see the NDP garner the same or more seats than the Liberals simply because Iggy is the dumber of dumb and dumber. Lets go Harper!

 

I'm glad everyone is in a state of denial. This is the EXACT same atmosphere that was in US in 2006, where you couldn't find a single person negative on real estate, credit, economy etc. Every single Canadian thinks they are invincible and invulnerable. Every night all I hear on the news is how great the Canadian economy is. If it was so great why do they keep having to tell us? Meanwhile the vast majority are living paycheck to paycheck(proved by countless surveys), CHMC(Canadian Freddie/Fannie) now on the hook for almost 1 trillion in mortgages backed by 9bil in capital. Canadian personal debt has surpassed US for the first time ever, Ontario running budget deficits that dwarf the worst US states per capita. Toronto is filled with potholes and crumbling infrastructure and no budget room to do otherwise. Toronto condo's and cookie cutter homes being built by the thousands replacing manufacturing and wealth producing jobs. While low pay service sector and government jobs keep padding the stats. High oil prices putting a bid under the Canadian dollar that will be undone on the next leg down(same thing happend in 08 when CAD lost 30% of its value in a matter of 3 weeks)

http://www.torontosun.com/money/2010/05/11/13907856.html

Bubble waiting for a pin. All warning signs are there, same as in Japan in late 80's, US in 2000's. Im glad everyones drinking the same koolaid. You cannot find a single Canadian pessimistic and the herd is wrong 100% of the time. I will bet the other way.

 

What freedoms are you referring too that aren't present in the other 50% of the world? You are forced to give up 40-50% of your productivity to the state. Your prime minister has to ask the Queen for permission to call an election. Protesters are tossed into cages while taxpayers are robbed of 1bil to pay for elites holiday(G20 Toronto). You have random checkpoints daily questioning where you are going(RIDE programs), roadside vehicle seizures for any reason the police seem adequate. Ive been driving home late at night lately and literally every night I see 5-6 tow trucks pulling cars off the highway(NOT shady either, look like normal folk). Please pal, this isn't the 50's where North America was tenfold ahead of the rest of the world. But I guess if we keep repeating we are the greatest to ourselves it will come true right?

 

Well this post explains it all. You are on the lunatic fringe. Maybe you had better take a closer look to see how many Americans are incarcerated before you put Canadians under the microscope. Were you one of those who came to Canada for the G20 wearing a black balaclava?
In January, the Canadian economy added nearly double the number of jobs created in the entire U.S. economy, which is 10 times larger.

Canada relies a lot on commodity prices simply because we have tons of them. The new emerging markets such as China can’t buy enough of our commodities. Add to that the fact the Japan has to rebuild and will need as much lumber as we can produce and we have more strength in our economy.
Oh what was it the was said a month ago? Oh yes Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto are in the top 5 best cities to live in throughout the world. Oh we might see housing prices drop a little as they did in 2008 but they will bounce back and level off again or maybe rise. The simple facts are that there are millions of homes south of the border that are empty. Why? Too much speculation. Here in Canada homes are being built at a record pace because people are moving into them. No I dont expect house prices here to keep rising and they have been leveling off a little lately but I doubt they will cruble like in the US.
It looks more to me like some Americans are hoping for Canada to fall flat on its face because they can’t seem to pick themselves up but that may not happen simply because we didn’t have subprime mortgages and we actually export much more per capita especially in resources than the US does. Remember that Canada alone has enough resources to independently sustain both the US and Canada.

 

Yes, and how about a gun store around the corner from a school. Try that in Canada. I can’t stand the controls here in Canada. Just imagine not being allowed to be shot at while walking downtown. I always wanted to relive the OK Corral with real bullets. I want to be able to walk down the streets with my holster and gun on my hip just like they do in Texas and are trying to pass now in Florida. Imagine not getting those spine tingling shivers when taking a wrong turn in the late hours on a Friday night. Yes there are so many things we can’t do here in Canada because our govt keeps interfering.
I would like to give up my health care so I can pay a couple thousand less a year in taxes and then put it and another 10gs a year toward health insurance. That way I can go to a theatre with my family and sit beside a guy with TB because he couldn’t afford health insurance like the other 50 million people in the US. But best of all I want to have the same land rights as they have south of the border so I can build my dream home and later have the guy in the theatre move his trailer in next door.
Gotta love it! I wonder if Born in the USA can be played on a banjo.

 

Incase you wernt following closely....Most including myself are voting Conservative not Liberal. You left Ontario but not many others are. Infact Ontario is enjoying a huge influx of people who know this is a great province in a great country. As for freedoms...you many not know it but your "homeland security" has erroded your freedoms much more than you know. Here is just one example. Its an internet site that allows you to watch sports for free. http://atdhe.net/

Comparing apples with apples. A family of 4 or 5 will cost you well over $10gs a year. Do you think all that money makes its way to caring for you? Do you think the insurance companys are doing all that for free? As for wait times. Yep you will have to wait in the emergency ward a little longer if the guy infront or behind you is having a heart attack. Its called triage. See thats the way we do things here without wasting money. The guy who has the more lifethreatning symptoms goes first so your congested nose or broken finger will have to wait. Life expectancy rates in 1961- Canada 8th in world vs USA 16th ----- 50 years later Canada 4th vs USA 29th. The average Canadian lives 3 full years longer than the average American as of 2009
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Problem is not only law abiding citizens are carrying guns but so is everyone else and when tempers flare there is always a gun within reach wether it be in the glove box or in a pocket. The murder rate in the US is 4 times that in Canada per capita. Oh and guess where the ilegal guns in Canada come from? I think you know the answer. The incarceration rate in the US is 7 times higher per capita than Canada. Are you going to tell me that the US is safer becasue of that? [/QUOTE]

Wine is sold in private stores in Ontario but they dont carry all brands yet. If privately owned wine stores in Ontario is your biggest beef well Ill keep drinking the koolaid because thats all it is....Koolaid.

 

Why do you keep referencing the US in this conversation? You aren't able to disprove any of my points with actual fact so you are diverting the argument towards US bashing. Not going to sink to that level. Are you aware that close to 80% of the Canadian economy is based on US trade? Canada runs major trade deficits with the entire world except the US.

 

Try locating a place in Ontario to have a cigar with a couple of friends. Bars and restaurants are closing by the dozens since the Nanny State came in and told us what we can't drink, smoke, eat. But according to GerryD the solution is to just bash the US and make banjo jokes!

 

I know for a fact we have issues, i hated having photo rader many yrs ago, but its gone now....i hate having to worry about if im going over 50km/h and having my car taken away.... i hate going to bar with my wife and the booze stops at 2am .... i get all you are saying

again, im not questioning your facts .... instead of giving me a ***** session on the imprefections - give me a solution , and illustrate a solution in human history where oppression has been less than where you quote in Canada - im waiting

 

Problem is when people post such negative bs about roads crumbling, cops seizing vehicles at a whim, homeless everywhere accusing everyone else of wearing rosy glasses, screaming the sky is falling people are going to get their back up. He was bordering on tinfoil hat stuff.

But the US / Cnd comparisons are always going to get backs up real fast. Cause this isn't America and I think most of us are proud of that, not in a negative way against our brothers to the south, but in a patriotic way. Maybe it's our way of waving out flag.

As for solutions Red, I don't have any. All I can do is use my vote. Cause I'm too busy working my ass off to pay for all the bums that don't.

oh and playing with my Fcar

 

Well you tell us here in Canada that we live in a country that is controled too much by the Govt. So by that statement your must mean that the system in the US is better. So I gave you some FACTS that show that the crime rate is higher in the US and there are more people in Jail in the US per capita than anywere else on earth and we dont have to pay a middleman for health care, and that our life expactancy is 3 years longer and growing. So now if our Govt is causing all of these great life giving benefits then what do I have to prove. I love it and the only thing I see as a benefit here in Florida where I am now is the weather period. As for the restaurants, what a load of ... Do you just make this stuff up. Non-smokers(who are a majority btw) are now going out to dine more often because of the clean air policies and btw are you living in a bubble in the US because slowly more and more states are banning smoking in public places. I have to wonder if you really know much about anything you are typing.

 

I brought up that the US people will soon revolt and then crc started on about Canada. Please read ALL the post before shooting off. I would really love to know if the 2 of you still come up here for your "free" healthcare.

Guns do more harm than good but because you are so full of the US propoganda you dont see it and btw the death rate from violence in Canada is 1.4 per 100.000 whereas the US is 6.2 You seem to think that because the rep in the US are concervative that automaticaly makes the concervatives up here the same. A far cry my friend, a far cry.

The judicial system in Canada is a joke? I guess the O.J. trail was an example of real justice was it? The reason we need more jails is because the old ones are so ancient. Besides whats that have to do with anything? Gotta love when someone is completely wrong and they say things like "If you look at the stats on a per capita basis,the violent crime rates on a national level are not that far off. Yes, the U.S is higher" sure by a mear 5X.

I like the heat here in the winter and besides, Im in a gated community ...hmmm I wonder why we dont have gated communities in Canada?

Sure you dont lock your front door...... Thats because anyone white and making over $70gs a year lives in the burbs 40 miles away from all the rot and crime were most of the average Americans live. In Canada you can live almost anywhere. Face it, there is a much higher level of poverty in the US. Freedom 55 is a pipedream for the average American. What other country sees millions of elderly and about to retire citizens ripped off for their life savings and nobody does any time for it....Oh yes thats because your judicial system is so good. Try watching the documentry "inside job" and no its not a fiction movie.

 

For those that would like to see the updated polls, here is a good site.

http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/polls.html

 

No doubt there is a difference in Conservative views from American and Canadian citizens....

Cant we all jsut get along ?

Considering the last 2 pages have been the same 3 or 4 people talking about the right - i can only assume the rest of CDN fchat reading and not commenting, are either not voting, or voting ndp, liberal, or block

 

Marijuana party

 

One of the biggest problems in both countries is people losing interest. Actually many never had any.