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KERS and DRS ***SPOILERS***

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  1. tifosi12

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    #1 tifosi12, Apr 10, 2011
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    In Sepang we saw the true benefits of KERS and DRS and I have to say I'm loving it! Particularly in combination with a wide track with long straights.

    There was more passing in this race than in an entire past F1 season. Of course it also helps when some cars don't have KERS or a KERS that doesn't work.

    I was an early critic of DRS thinking it is too convoluted for the drivers, the fans and the race stewards but as it turns out, they got it all nicely organized and working. I was wrong and I have no problem admitting that given lots of passing in return.

    There were so many good scenes in Sepang. 3 cars going into the last turn, dragracing down the straight away. This looked like the glory days of NASCAR or Indy500 but it was F1, where cars do more than just ovals.

    To me it looks like the FIA finally found something that's working and making the races a lot more interesting. Add to that the degrading Pirellis and we have a pretty intense race.

    I'm looking forward to more tracks like Sepang: Silverstone, Monza, Nuerburgring, should all be good.
     
  2. kraftwerk

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    As posted in the race thread, it appears to me to be working.
     
  3. Bas

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    I'm loving it personally. Was very happy to see some proper F1 racing going on again.
     
  4. AlexO91

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    I'm not convinced.... yet. The BBC said the DRS could be tweaked slightly in the near future, if that goes well then maybe I will like it more.
     
  5. vinuneuro

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    The passes came too easily imo. DRS is good but needs to be dialed down at tracks with such long straights.
     
  6. DF1

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    DRS is like KERS. It should be available at the driver's discretion. Not at the whim of a some race official.
     
  7. LightGuy

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    Should have been allowed on both grandstand straights.
    You pass me than I pass you back. Or verse vicey.

    And what happens in a train ?
    Are all allowed to use it except the leader ?
     
  8. AlexO91

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    As long as they are within a second of each other yes. I'm fairly certain I heard Martin Brundle say, "if you are within a second of the driver in front and you pass him before the activation line ie at the last corner, you can still use it down the straight."
     
  9. Ferraripilot

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    Boy you said it. Good times. When a driver can use the wing and KERS together the car really can pick up some serious time down the straight. Good stuff.
     
  10. VIZSLA

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    I wrote it off as a gimmick but it seems to be working.
     
  11. Peloton25

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    Quick question for clairification - do you have to be one second behind a car you are racing for position, or can it be any car on the track? Seems the latter would make more sense.

    >8^)
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  12. VIZSLA

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    I assume any car. Backmarkers can be roadblocks too.
     
  13. Etcetera

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    It's no gimmick.

    It's also a little known fact that DRS was Jos Verstappen's idea.
     
  14. kraftwerk

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    LOL
    So little a fact that only you knew about it..
     
  15. classic308

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    Jos Verstappen is Chuck Norris' racing name, for he's the only one who could have survived the Hockenheim bbq.
     
  16. Remy Zero

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    +1000

    They should be allowed to to anytime, anywhere.
     
  17. Aircon

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    then there'd be no point to it.
     
  18. tifosi12

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    Why?
     
  19. poyta

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    Love it in the race but I don't agree that it can be used whenever during qualifying. It's a tool designed for overtaking - seeing there's no overtaking in qualifying there should be no DRS.

    Probably explains why certain cars are so much more faster than others in qualifying but are more closer to others times during the race.
     
  20. poyta

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    Because if the guy in front and the one behind both have their DRS activated then neither will benefit for it - Kind of like that now with KERS really. Who cares if you're getting an 80- hp boost if the guy in front is also getting it.
     
  21. VIZSLA

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    I have no problem with its use in qualifying. That's one of the few chances the drivers have to get used to it.
    Their lack of familiarity showed in Australia when more than one was caught out by the transition from high to low grip.
     
  22. tifosi12

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    I get that and I also agree it should not be used in qualy.

    But: why can't it be used under the current rules on the entire track?

    Why only allowing it in one spot?
     
  23. P1-EH

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    After Australia, I was neutral on DRS. Having watched its effect in Malaysia, I am now very much opposed to it. It's a complete contrivance, and makes passing on circuits like this trivial to the point of being an embarrassment to the sport.

    There is no drama in a DRS-initiated pass. The regulations put the lead car in a completely compromised position. They could have done it cheaper by requiring a lead driver to lift when trailed by a car closer than 1sec behind. It's silly.

    What we do have is a spectacular range of performance in the Pirelli tires. This alone will result in lots of great passes, driven not by contrived disadvantages, but by race strategy, and tire management.

    I hope they scrap it. Heidfeld got P3 because he had DRS (and KERS, but I'll leave that issue alone). Webber should have been able to fight back, but didn't/couldn't. I hated that pass.

    Anyhow, I think the season is shaping up to be another great one. I just hope the desire to improve the show with DRS doesn't backfire.
     
  24. viper_driver

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    +1.
     
  25. LightGuy

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    Understand that if the cars are relatively equal then the passed car next lap has the upper hand.
    Rinse and repeat.
    However if the car in front in the first passing lap really was slower (and previous aero limitatations restricted passing which they did) now the trailing car has a means to get around him once and for all.
    Contrived or not this is good for entertainment and when it boils down thats what racing is.
     

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