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BBC link - Ferrari and its issues

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  1. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Interesting thanks D..
     
  2. DF1

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    No problemo Steve. Nice to find analytical pieces about our sport and team(s). :)
     
  3. Remy Zero

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    Thanks for the link..but look at the front wing how much more closer to the tarmac it is compared to the Mac and Ferrari.
     
  4. Wolfgang5150

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    Good article; it's scary when Aldo Costa says he doesn't know what the problem is....
    The design department is the problem, not Domenicali.....
     
  5. TonyL

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    I blame Ford, it was alright before they changed the name!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. PowerSlide

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    Well nothing wrong with the car just redbulll and mclaren build a faster car. Didnt even take me 5 second to figure that out :D
     
  7. tifosi12

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    Have faith.

    This article is good. And yesterday's news.
     
  8. Wolfgang5150

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    Well it's not yesterday's news in that this is the first time Costa has admitted they had problems, and dont know what they are....
     
  9. tifosi12

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    That's yesterday's news. ;)
     
  10. TifosiUSA

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    Well do tell...!?
     
  11. moretti

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    .. and today's news ?

    I believe Ferrari will come up with something but will it be too late ?
     
  12. tifosi12

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  13. classic308

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    Just copy redbull-it worked for mclaren.....
     
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  15. Remy Zero

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    Well, i think it's too early, way too early to write off Ferrari. When the Euro leg kicks off, virtually they'll all have new cars. So lets see...
     
  16. Ferraripilot

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    We'll see how this new wings works out with the car. I'm guessing it's not going to bring very much on its own, but for the European circuits we should see some major progress.
     
  17. ELP_JC

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    #18 ELP_JC, Apr 15, 2011
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    Well, in my opinion is not only the car, but the DRIVER. The car doesn't drive itself. Apparently Vettel is a better driver than the rest, and that includes adapting to new changes better than the others. He didn't post the fastest speed by far, so RBR doesn't have the advantage everywhere. And everybody is running the same tires, with the same weight distribution (within the allowed 1%) and same weight. Hard to know how much of the difference can be blamed on the car and how much on the driver. The good news is the difference is minimal, but the bad one is it's an eternity in F1. Having said that, hope Ferrari finds a solution soon. Good day folks.
     
  18. Ferraripilot

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    Although I understand where you are coming from, it might benefit you to know a couple things.

    F1 is about 70-80% car dependant and the rest is driver. All the F1 drivers on the track are indeed very good drivers as they have managed to get to the pinnacle of motorsport. Unfortunately those drivers are then at the mercy of the aerodynamic properties of the car they are stuck with, and for all but 2 drivers on the field (Red Bull's), everyone is chasing someone's car making F1 more of an aerodynamic arms race than anything else. The drivers add the extra something that make it exciting and real, but the real battle is with the engineers.
     
  19. kraftwerk

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    Webber had the fastest lap, Vettel didn't need to he was just taking care of his car, if needed to he could/would have pushed it.

    RB at the min is by far the best motor out there.
     
  20. Ferraripilot

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    +1 They are still pulling a minimum +2kph at any fast or slow corner. Their car is just incredibly planted.
     
  21. ELP_JC

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    #22 ELP_JC, Apr 15, 2011
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    Well, that's your opinion. Mine is 70% car at best, BUT am talking about equally funded teams. During qualifying, nobody is running in front of everybody. And during a race, you have to include the team, which is in charge of pit stops and strategy, further reducing the car's percentage. You could put Alonso on Vettel's car, and he wouldn't just post Vettel's times. It'd take him plenty of practice, if at all. And yes, 'the real battle is with the engineers', but the engineers don't drive the cars, so driver input is critical, as you should know. A good driver can identify what he needs quickly, while others end up relying on telemetry and tiral and error until they get it right.

    Unfortunately, this sport is not like shooting, where you can put a rifle on a stand and objectively judge its accuracy, and therefore shooter's performance. It's all opinion, so nobody is right or wrong. If there's one team with an advantage over everybody else due to funding, prestige, etc., it's Ferrari. Who's to blame (driver, car, engineers, etc) for their shortcomings? Nobody knows, but my guess is a combination of everything :). Take care.
     
  22. tifosi12

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    I'm pretty sure he'd post Vettel's times. As would Hamilton.

    The way I see F1 (and that view hasn't changed one bit over decades of following the sport) there are the superstars, then the average F1 drivers and then the hopeless cases.

    While even the hopeless cases would drive circles around us, they are the F1 bottom feeders, they're normally those who remain pay drivers throughout their (normally short) career.
    The midfielders are the bread and butter of F1. They're all talented and if one of them gets lucky and ends up in an ultra superior car, they might even become WDC (Damon Hill, Jenson Button, Massa almost in 2008).
    The superstars are the guys who collect multiple WDCs. They're the super talents. There are normally very few of them at any given time. Those are the Laudas, Sennas, Schumachers of their time and today it is the 3 mentioned above.

    I'm a huge Vettel fan and was one of the first on here to say he has it what it takes to become a multiple WDC after his epic win in the POS Minardi (aka TR). That was Bellof in the Tyrrell and Senna in the Toleman stuff.
    But he is no faster than Alonso. Or Hamilton. Give the best car (RB at the moment) to either of them and they will win it.
     
  23. TifosiUSA

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    +1
     
  24. Ferraripilot

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    +1 so true. A great car is a great car which is why most of the time the car will perform well for the driver regardless of their driving style. There is of course the rare case that a F1 car can only be driven successfully by a certain driver (Schu's bennetton, and a couple of Senna's cars) but that is rare.
     

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