the only slantnose I would want would be a 935 (joke). Look at the DP or Kremer street cars. To me, their slant nose versions looks better than the others.
John, I was out this weekend, having fun with a friend's beautiful stock 1982 euro 3.3. Compact, good visibility, and light - with power. In Europe, the Turbo will bring significantly more money, when compared to the U.S. market. The prices have gone up a bit. I am not sure the 1989 5spd is worth the extra cash ? I understand the 4spd, can pull all the way to 190mph. I also understand in real world practical driving, the 5spd will bring no benefits over the 4spd. I would never ever expect a large bump in price, due to the large # of cars that have been produced. In my opinion, the biggest sleeper exotic car, is the rare unmodified and complete, M506 RoW factory-built 1981-85 slantnose 'special wishes' cars. One issue that may prevent these cars from increasing in value, is the current inability of the factory, to provide a COA.
Hello. I am just curious why you would value the 'special wishes' M506 the highest? The problem with the 'special wishes' cars is there is no documentation. 'Special wishes' is almost a dirty word for me and many other collectors I know as it is misused so often and can't be backed up. They are sort of like a Chevelle SS. There is no way to prove if it came from the factory that way or, if like the huge majority, was built up from a regular base car later on. (Chevy records burned in a fire for those years.) Ditto for the 1981-1986 slant nose. The only years that have proof are 1987-1989, when the factory offered the option and that option code M505 or M506 appears in the built records. So I don't understand why you wouldn't value the post 1987, factory optioned cars, with available COA, as the highest. That is how I value them, since almost all slant noses you see are NOT factory built. I would guess that one out of every 300 slant noses you see might be original factory-built. Of course then you hear all the stories: "...it is a special wishes car!....." They all say that and it is easy to say because there are no records, so the claim can't be disproved (or proven for that matter!). "....It was dealer installed slant nose using original factory parts!..." This is also easy to say because it can't be disproved either. In fact, the dealers did set up shop to convert Turbos into slant noses because huge demand for slant noses created huge profits for dealers to make this conversion, and a dealer-done conversion can be high, or low quality, but certainly isn't done by the factory. So, there you have my logic why from 1987 to 1989 are the ones to have. The rest are all just "stories" cars. I also don't know if I agree with the M506 is better than the M505 opinion. Granted there is ~40 hp more in the M506 option, but that is easy to get out of a M505 car by removing the cat (or install sport exhaust minus cat) and raising the boost a tad. Easy work to get the extra power, but with the M506 you don't have a US car, with the extras US cars all had stock, including leather, AC, power windows (& tops on cabs), etc. So, in conclusion, US collectors (including myself) value, or will value, the M505 optioned 1987-1989 the highest. I hate to say it, but the real 'special wishes' no-documentation cars are lost in the sewage floodwaters of the aftermarket slant noses.
Here is a perfect example of the problems with the slant noses. However, this one is a 1989 without the M505 or M506 option code in the build sticker, so it is NOT a factory slant nose, regardless of the discussion in the seller's answer. The text is copied from a current ebay auction: Q: Hello, please clear if this is a Steel Nose or a factory Steel Nose. Luiz Apr-23-11 A: Good Morning, My Porsche has a Slantnose of Steel,not Fiberglass -the label inside the hood is in German as you can see in one of the photos.My husband's mechanic who works excusively on European Cars told him that he was certain it was Factory, as he has worked on many a Porsche. I have researched online Porsche websites,have questioned Porsche lover websites,and have heard from the great Ebay community. The information is that it could have been a dealer installed option or a conversion. An answer from Australia was that the Vin from the Factory would have ZZZ. The owner of a Porsche lover's website said it would have a 505 in the Vin in order to be a Factory Steel Slantnose.Some conversions were done in Fiberglass,this is Steel.Of course I was hoping to hear that this was indeed a Factory Optioned Porsche,but because of the quality,it is difficult to tell the difference.
I mentioned in the last line of my previous post, how the M506 autos, at the current time, have not been documented with a COA. The lack of factory documentation, may cause some buyers to pass on the M506 cars. The cars do have several unique factory components, that enable the potential educated buyer, to find a genuine factory-built M506 automobile. Why does the car have some additional attributes, over the M505 ? It is the first of the series, of the factory-built 'custom' flatnose 'special wishes' cars. Some of the cars had wild unique custom configurations. BBS wheels. Part of the car was hand-built. Quite scarce/very low production #'s. Additional power (930S).
I have a 1986 Turbo SE which is not a slant nose and IMO is far more iconic. Mine has a RUF 5 speed gear box which is fantastic. Aside from that and some Elephant Racing suspension parts it is stock. I did a nuts and bolts rebuild of everything and the engine pulls hard and revs freely. Great car
I had a chance at a cab one about 4 years back. A real one and think it was a magazine cover car. Somehow it just did not click with me. That actually was surprising since I love 930's in general.
Different strokes is ok with me. Personally the Slantnose is an Icon. Born in '71, those supercars of the 80's era: Countach, BB512, testarossa, and Slopnose 911 were "IT". friend of mine had a countach i got alot of seat time in: end of the dream, car is useless here with cops, people and 45 mph speed limits everywhere. everyone has a cellphone to ratt on you. TR is too wide, too heavy, and has that transaxle "got ya". BB512's are great, but not worth the current prices, as i can get a Diablo or Turbo whatever else for less money. Also has a fragile transaxle. So you have the basic 911, which I have had 6 of so far, and combine it with stunning looks( to me) and top tier performance numbers that 30 years later can barely be topped. Look what a 1979 911 Turbo could do.... Modded later slopenose cars are NUTS ! My Turbolook may be a wanna be, but I will own the real deal, or perhaps a SlopenoseRuF one day. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks for all the input. I have found a few 930s to look at (I found a nice 3.0 4 speed online, I should not want it but I do) as well as a pair of 512s, a BB and BBi. The Ferrari is between 3 to 4 times the cost of the Porsche, but I love 12 cylinder cars. Now all I need is for someone to give me a ride in a 930, as with the exception of my '80 Countach I have never bought a vintage car without trying one first to see if it speaks to me. I do not think there is a single example of a 930 in the UAE where I live (perhaps one reason to want one). To complicate things further I was offered a cheap '94 Diablo last week. Grrr....
Back to... Get a 3.3. Non-slant. Slantnose look is awkward, ugly... on the 911 body. Just ruins the lines. IMO
Here is a 84 Porsche Kremer 935 street K2 next to a regular 911. Originally built for Mario Andretti. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Me too. A slope nose Porsche may not be for everyone, however there were some great builders ( other than special wishes program cars ) in the day who were involved with Porsche Motorsports and built some pretty awesome 930's & 935's incorporating proven Porsche higher performance parts and technology.
Thanks, so far off topic ( 3.0 vs 3.3 ) but had to respond to some who opine that standard 930 Porsche dealership showroom stock production models, are everything nice that ever came from the 930 project development. Think of Ferrari specials like NART or GM's COPO cars , as similar to Kremer, Andial, AJ USA, D P, Special Wishes and later 505 & 506, etc. You all ( not you ferraripete, gt4me and others) hold on to your value and desirability projections with regard to special Porsches as the ride, most likely, has just begun.
Clearly some of these 930 based specials ( oops, forgot RUF cars in my last post ) were at the Pinnacle of performance and design of that time, and beyond the limits of mass production ( factor in bean counter and big brother ) requirements with most street drivers at or under 2800 lbs and around 500 HP ( race models way beyond that) with idle @ 900 RPM and amenities like AC, Leather, advanced sound systems, for those who knew, standing in line with funds available to get theirs built. Whats not to like?
it's nice to have you participating over here at Fchat. glad you found your way here as there are threads that you can add significant value to. best, Pcb
Oh yeh, I had a Gembella in 87, that was awhile ago! CharlesE, sorry bout that. ferraripete, Thanks, I do get the urge to chime in.
interesting...I own an 83' 512BBi and an 86' 930 too...the 930 and my 64' 356 look cool together in the garage. At night the two Porsches (i'm sure of it, but can't prove it) are always TrashTalking the 512BBi but they all remain friends.
