Red Bull is screwed....... If the mass damper was a "moveable aerodynamic aid", this sure as hell is..... Cheers, Ian
funny, I was about to start a thread on this. This is a big problem for Ferrari, Red Bull, Mclaren, Williams (even though they have not run this system yet), and anyone else routing exhaust gases to their diffuser. Any off-throttle maneuvering stability will be completely changed. Renault and MB will benefit from this massive change.
Here's how this all came of by the way: a mclaren engineer tweeted http://twitter.com/#!/search/Realsimonb "@andydaniell I'm assuming it hasn't reached the press yet!" And it's for all teams, with the rule imposed by Charlie Whiting. And the tweet as mysteriously vanished!
Boy this is HUGE news people. Come on lol. Watch the order change this weekend. Like magic. Red Bull's exhaust gas false wall they have built around their extremely high rake changes a TON because of this. I bet because Whiting could not get them for their flexi wing, he wanted to get them this way. Interesting stuff!.......
More news on this. The teams were notified of this after Turkey so it was not an all-of-the-sudden type thing
Silly change in my view. Teams were doing this last year, all through testing and discussing it quite openly. No warning - and a significant rule change is handed down 4 races into the season? Every team that chose to invest in this openly discussed option is out luck in the name of cost savings??? HUH??? Why not change it for next season? Talk about stifling innovation.
I have ton wonder if Whiting knew this was how RB was able to run so much rake which was in turn making their front wing flex. He tried to nail the wing situation, couldn't, so he nails the rake which allows the wing to flex. I have to wonder how much rake RB will be running this Friday now. Or if everything will essentially be the same but RB will not be carrying the same speed into a corner they are used to. Kinky Kiley may be a biter with sharp teeth! The ban is the same type situation as the damper thing on 06. This stuff happens all the time.
I hear you, but you could (not saying you should ) make an argument that stopping it now will stop 'em going down another "rat hole" - The FIA is saying (in effect), "you're not allowed to spend $ messing with engine mapping." If Charlie doesn't like it, 3.15 (IIRC) will cover it..... Cheers, Ian
Glad I didn't throw an egg at the FIA building while I was in Paris now. They did something that I actually agree with.
I still think this is stupid. I don't believe they handled this correctly like they did the F-duct. Their not saying you can't spend $ with engine mapping, their saying- "OK- some of you have devised an advantage that was within the rules as written when you concieved this years contender and we've decided that becuase your ingenuity has worked to your advantage, we're going to change the rules... even though you spent all that money to develop it when it was legal". BTW- there already limiting this to an extent with the no refueling and minimum weight rule. Plus - how the heck are they going to police this? As a driver- are you going to force me to get off the throttle at a certian point- or not get on the throttle until a certain point? Does this only apply to off throttle mappping? What constitutes 10%? Are we talking 10% of the leanest max throttle race setting or 10% of the richest max throttle qualification map?
They're viewing this as a moveable aerodynamic device, albeit electronically controlled. Stuff like this has been changed in the past the same way.
So EBD is off the cards. This means that the drivers are going to work harder with their feet now (like they used to) if they want a more stable car in corners. Trailing throttle is the order of the day. Jenson Button tweeted the other day that he'd done more simulator miles this week than real miles in teh whole of pre-season testing, so I wonder if that was eluding to him having to get back into footwork training. If this is the case, it'll separate the men from the boys - a welcome thing in F1.
Well the cars were faster than last year and now the FIA had to do something to slow them down. BO-RING...
who knows, but the implications of this certainly change RB's paradigm to RB7 as their entire package is based on their rake and rear exhaust design. This also means drivers will be maneuvering the throttle and brake when entering the corners making drivers with real heal and toe (I know this isn't REAL heal and toe) abilities to come through and show their stuff. O
Also, I thought the cars sounded pretty cool on deceleration with the diff. engine mapping to keep exhaust gas flow going even when off throttle.
Ok all you naysayers. Prediction: Vettel doesn't take pole. To be more clear, this rule means especially RB/Mclaren/Ferrari cannot carry the same speed into corners they are used to, especially RB. Renault, MB will not be affected as much but still affected. Things won't shake up a ton, but they will shake up a noticeable amount this weekend. Mark my words and rub it in my face later if I am wrong Remember when I was called crazy for saying Mclaren would win in China?
logic prevails. These little (stupid) episodes do nothing for the FIA's image. Movable earo device... what's next, declaring that the high speed air traveling by the car shall only be used for driver breathing and engine combustion... not as a moving aero device?
Say what you will, but article 3.15 is very clear. The only question is, is the gaspedal the device which alters the aerodynamic characterisics or is that done by clever engine mapping?
