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  1. pamparius

    pamparius Formula Junior

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    maybe if he drove like last sunday, but a few years ago he did great moves. ;)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b8D0g0SmB0[/ame]
     
  2. zaevor2000

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    HRT could have protested...

    HRT did not qualify within 107% and yet was allowed to race...

    their silence speaks volumes... connect the dots...

    Politics are alive and well in F1 ;)

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    Awesome! I can't wait. At the last minute I decided to go. Riding my motorcycle from just west of St. Louis, MO. Going to be so fun. Just bought a ticket in grandstand 1, section 4, front row. I can't wait. Lot's of pitstops at montreal, front straight could be the place to be....

    Next week can't get here fast enough.

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  4. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ Owner

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    Without a bit of proof that's a tad "Grassy Knoll" for me. By no means impossible, or even unlikely, but not enough to convince.
     
  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1

    And again, while they didn't get under 107 in Q1 (they didn't even run!), they were under it in P3 - Which has been the "traditional" arbiter of if you can run..... If they failed to get under it all W/E I think they'd have been out. [We all know how consistently the FIA applies the rules after all ;)]

    Cheers,
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  6. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ Owner

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    In that Monaco is sponsor paradise sidelining a team with marginal finances would be cruel.
     
  7. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Awesome! Congratulations.

    Got an iPhone (or similar?) - Grab some pix & videos and post 'em up! We'll live vicariously thru you.......

    Have fun, ride safe, cheers,
    Ian
     
  8. classic308

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    If you look really hard at this video you can see me in the grandstands lol....i was eyewitness to this brilliant move by Massa and it was a completely clean move, helped by the fact that both drivers he passed were probably asleep, especially the McLaren boys on that race day. (I know he didn't pass Lewis as Lewis was busy ramming Kimi at the pit exit) I was a fan back then, but now i'm afraid Massa has lost that intensity.

    Anyways lets hope we have a clean fair fight in Canada.
     
  9. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Indeed.

    I guess they had a lot of members of "Your name here Inc." in the paddock ;)

    Cheers,
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  10. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ Owner

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    Someone really should copywrite that ;)
     
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    Ride safe man. Enjoy the weekend. It will be awesome and worth the ride from MO.
     
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    Any more thoughts on the DRS zone(s)? I can see them using one up to the Senna curve. It would be awesome if they included a corner in the DRS Zone. Or, imagine if one of the two zones is on the way into the hairpin and the other on the way to the chicane before the Wall of Champions? The caveat is that the circuit already is hard on brakes. Carrying more speed than normal around Circuit Gilles Villeneuve only to have to scrub it off could increase the DNF rate.
     
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    This :)
     
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    That was my understanding of where the two DRS zones are specified.

    Re banning the blown diffusers - the reports said that HRT agreed not to protest because the FIA said that they are taking action on the issue. The FIA delayed the ban because Renault and Red Bull said that they need the open throttle on deceleration for exhaust valve cooling or else their engine reliability will be compromised.

    I think that's a BS excuse and a Red herring ;) , since it was Renault who pioneered the "hot" off-throttle blown exhaust (injecting fuel late in the power stroke or exhaust stroke, and igniting it late or letting the hot exhaust manifold auto-ignite the fuel rich mixture in the header) to generate greater off-throttle exhaust velocity. The "cold" off-throttle blown exhaust, just holding the throttle plate open to cool the exhaust valves, doesn't provide nearly the same exhaust velocity.

    At any rate, the FIA ban was only postponed until it could be discussed at the next Technical Working Group meeting (which takes place immediately following the Montreal race). If the FIA doesn't get their closed throttle on off-throttle constraint, then they can always ban injection of fuel beyond a certain point in the compression stroke, ie ban fuel injected on the power or exhaust strokes, ban any additional injectors in the manifolds, to prevent the "hot" blown exhaust effect. Either way, there goes Red Bull's 0,5 sec advantage in Q3, and part of their race pace. They will still rule the high speed corners where the driver is on the throttle for the entire corner, though.

    I know the FIA said that they wouldn't be able to completely prevent the use of exhaust gases affecting aerodynamics in any way, but seriously - it would be easy enough to mandate that the engine exhaust pipes must terminate in a 6"x6" square opening, flush above the rear safety light for example, with the pipes being horizontal for the final 6", and that would eliminate exhaust blowing through the diffusers, any wings being powered by the exhaust, etc. I can't see that it would be that hard (aside from requiring totally new exhaust systems, rear bodywork, heat shielding, etc ;) ). OK, so it would be good to put in the rules for 2012, when the teams are still early in the design process.
     
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    The simple solution is to return control of the throttle butterflies to the driver via a cable. Remove fly by wire and you remove a lot of this trickery.

    Pete
     
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    Everyone keep your eye on who is fast at turns 2, 6, and 10. Whoever is quick there and has a high top speed will be the winner of this race. Mclaren will win here.
     
  17. tifosi12

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    A bold prediction.

    I wouldn't mind. And by now Vettel has such a comfortable lead (over 2 races of DNF) that he no longer needs to win it. I think going forward he will only push for a victory if he feels it is safe to do so and/or when something big is at stake like winning his home GP (or Monaco for the first time).

    On somewhat related news: Alonso has conceded the championship to Vettel.
     
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    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ Owner

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    Source please.
     
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    Et tu Brute?

    Geez, what's required next, a written deposition?

    http://www.speedweek.ch/art_19752.html


    13 Rennen vor Saisonende sagt nun Alonso: «Wir haben das in der Vergangenheit oft gesehen: Wenn jemand fünf oder sechs GP hintereinander gewinnt, dann holt er auch den Titel.»

    Translation:
    We've seen this often in the past: When somebody wins 5 or 6 GPs in series, then he also gets the title.

    Auf die konkrete Frage, ob er noch die Möglichkeit sieht, dass Vettel abgefangen wird, sagt Alonso: «Momentan nicht. Wenn der Führende in jeder Qualifikation eine Sekunde schneller ist und man sich immer neue Dinge und andere Strategien einfallen lassen muss, die ausserhalb des normalen Szenarios liegen, dann ist es sehr schwierig.»

    Translation:
    Whether he sees a chance to catch Vettel: Not at the moment. When the leader is faster by a second in each qualifying session and you have to come up with new things and scenarios, which are outside the norm, then it is getting very difficult.


    He is simply realistic. Unless Vettel gets injured there is no way anybody will catch him at this point.
     
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    Wow, so whoever is fast in the slow corners, fast in the high speed corners, and also has the least aero drag will win. Imagine that.
     
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    I just want to be as smart as you are if and when I grow up ;)
     
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    Hmmm, I don't think you are reading Vettel right. Vettel IMO is somewhat like Senna used to be, ie. he wants to win every race. He might not be quite so religeous about it but Vettel is not going to cruise to a safe WDC win like Button, he is going to go flat out and if that nets him a WDC all good ...

    Pete
     
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    I read that from Alonso as well. Tell me something we couldn't all have predicted ! Too bad IMO as Alonso is one amazing driver at the moment.

    Red Bull doesn't have great top speed and Mclaren and Ferrari are nearly as good as Red Bull in the slow corners. Mclaren's top speed will give them the edge
     
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    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    If you want to stoop to my level you need to either be a lot younger or senile. Your choice. :)
     
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    Let me get back to you on that.
     

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