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Explosion of coolant running on the highway

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  1. theobordeaux

    theobordeaux Formula Junior

    Jan 13, 2011
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    Hello guys,

    I usually post on the party 400/400i/412 reserved. Yesterday I had a problem on the highway. I was driving 120 km / h and sudden explosion of coolant around the radiator. The water temperature rose to 120 ° ie a maximum oil temperature is 100 ° rise slightly. Of course I stopped to see what was happening. Once the engine compartment open, full of coolant everywhere. When the engine was cold, I checked the fluid and vacuum. I refilled. Taking the road, the temperature is raised to 120 °. This time the fluid has not cleared but a lot of noise in the radiator. Whenever I could start my car normally.
    I tow my 400 to my home.
    My questions: Does anyone has had this problem? Y does this engine security? Is it possible that this is the water pump is broken?
    I'll check that it is not simply a hose that has exploded.
    Thank you for your opinion

    Theodore
     
  2. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I am finding it hard to understand your post Theodore, but I would suggest you fill your cooling system with water and pressure test the cooling system. :):)

    Check for any leaks and go from there mate. It sounds like you may have blown a hose. :):)
     
  3. yelcab

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    a pressure tester will reveal the problem immediately without putting your engine in danger.
     
  4. theobordeaux

    theobordeaux Formula Junior

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    Thank you for your advice. You do not understand very well what I said because I translated with google translation, which allows me to participate in this community so nice!
     
  5. Shamile

    Shamile F1 Veteran

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    Dear Ferraristi,

    If there was coolant everywhere, perhaps a coolant line let go. I doubt the expansion tank cap blew off. Even if it did release coolant, it would be through the overflow line and away from the engine.

    If you can't see a blown line, buy or get a pressure tester from a friend. It could be as simple as a loose clamp and a pushed off hose.

    If you refilled and you have a high temp with noise, you have air trapped in system. I have no idea how a 400i works, but my 91 Testarossa has 3 bleed screws. My "later" Lamborghini Diablo VT Roadster self bleeds while an early Diablo has to be bled carefully or the temps will go up.

    Let us know what you find and report back. :)


    Shamile

    Freeze...Miami Vice!
     
  6. PAP 348

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    Very good. Glad to hear you are enjoying this Ferrari community. It is the BEST! :D:D
     
  7. theobordeaux

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    #7 theobordeaux, Jun 5, 2011
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    I have seen whence came the coolant. In the pic is what is shown by the red arrow.
    This pipe is there an overflow? or is it connected to another part of the engine?
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  8. PAP 348

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    That is an overflow for the overflow bottle.

    I think you have a faulty radiator cap. Under pressure, the coolant pushed past the radiator cap into the overflow bottle.

    The overflow bottle was overfilled.......................so it dumped the coolant onto the ground via the overflow hose.

    Check your radiator cap mate. You can also test them with a coolant pressure tester.
     
  9. theobordeaux

    theobordeaux Formula Junior

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    Thank's PAP 348

    it is a quick and accurate response. I'm going to check it tomorrow
     
  10. PAP 348

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    Cool man, let us know how you get along. :):)
     
  11. theobordeaux

    theobordeaux Formula Junior

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    Yes is good PAP 348! it was the radiator cap was broken. I replaced it with a new one but that takes 1.0 bar instead of 0.7 bar on the original.

    thank you again!

    Theodore
     
  12. david bentley

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    Good to have you here in translation...we all speak Ferrari!
     
  13. BigTex

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    Probably be good to bleed the system for air, now that you have the cap sorted out, make sure you have any air pockets out of the system.
     
  14. gidge348

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    Just be careful going to 1.0bar when the system is designed for 0.7 bar particularly when the system is old.

    You may bring up other problems like blown hoses or popped radiators. I would have suggested replacing with the standard 0.7 bar rather than 1.0 bar
     
  15. PAP 348

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    Not a problem mate, thanks for letting us know. :):)
     
  16. theobordeaux

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    I found the cap allows water to pass. I have received today a new cap more appropriate. I had to remove the expansion tank for cleaning. I replace everything tomorrow and then I would know if the problem was the plug or not. Then I would take all necessary!
     
  17. Flinch

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    Theo, if your engine still overheats, after using the new 0.7bar cap, is it most likely the thermostat. And that is a very easy fix!
    If the waterpump dies on the 400 it has a failsafe seal that will drop the coolant out of a waterhole so it will not contaminate the oil. Replacing the waterpump means that the engine has to come out of the car!
     
  18. theobordeaux

    theobordeaux Formula Junior

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    I tell Peter that tomorrow! Let me hope that this is not the water pump. I go back tomorrow and everything I'm doing a prayer!!!
    But I have exorcised my 400, I met two key mechanical and shouted: "VA DE RETRO SATANAS OF WATER PUMP. I think it will go in the right direction now.
    Tomorrow for news.
    In fact, your 400 is a nice engine sound on Youtube.
     
  19. theobordeaux

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    #19 theobordeaux, Jun 9, 2011
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    Missed! Water always flows. I checked the neck of the radiator water, and it is rusty inside. It is possible that this is the rust that has delivered on the Neck collar. I'm going to pressure check the radiator as suggested PAP 348.
    No se que hacer de otro, que piensan?
    I just buy anew expansion tank. The inside of mine is full of rust.
     
  20. FasterIsBetter

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    Theo,

    If your expansion tank is full of rust, you should definitely have the radiator checked. Rust floating in the system can easily clog up the tubes in the radiator, and limit the flow of coolant, which could also be contributing to an overheating situation. Definitely change the thermostat if that has not been done recently, and flush the entire system out to get any loose rust out. Have the radiator flushed, and if possible, have a repair shop look at the core with a scope and see if it is clogged or corroded. If it is, have it recored. And while you are at it, change all the coolant hoses if they are old (and especially if they are original). Oh, and make sure that you refill with a 50/50 mix of good quality anti-freeze and distilled water, plus a bottle of Red Line Water Wetter if you can get that over there.

    See, isn't this fun?
     
  21. theobordeaux

    theobordeaux Formula Junior

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    Yes FasterIsBetter you're absolutely right, I'm going to check it all very quickly to avoid problems. Thank's
    In fact, I just got this car it's been some time and it's like a woman should be a minimum of time to know it.
     
  22. jacques

    jacques Formula Junior

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    Theo..On your coolant dumping..As to the water pump on these engines..the water fump usually does not fail..it is only the front-most seal on the pump that fails. It is very well shown in the coolant section of the workshop manual...it is very easily replaced with a common kit known to Fcar parts suppliers at approximately $100USD..I carry one in my 1980 400i at all times along with a photocopy of that page from the manual..it is very easily accessed from under the car (on a lift) ..30 minutes to one hour's time..I did mine myself ten years ago..Now..as to the thermostat..since it is an in-line bottle type, you can easily do this job all by yourself in about the same amount of time from the top of engine..replace all three water hoses at the same time with heavy-duty hose from any reputable shop that carries Gates Hose or a reputable brand in Europe..fortunately, our water hoses are all straight pieces available to be cut in exactly to the lengths required (3 sizes)..Also..Dave Helms of Scuderia Rampante on this forum has the best hoses on the planet and he says that they will "probably" last past your grand children..also buy all new hose clamps..take the thermostat into your kitchen and boil it in a pot with a thermometer in the pot..if it opens within <>5 degrees it it probably still good..if you need a new one, PM me and I will give you a very reasonably priced source..I hope that this is of some help to you, and perhaps I may see you and your car when I return to France again later this year..Jacques.
     
  23. Flinch

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    Small addition: If the seal fails, it could be caused by one or both bearings in the waterpump. If the bearings are noisy or the small axle can be moved up or down a bit, you have to rebuild the pump. And that means that you'l have to take the engine out. But if the coolant loss was not at the pump it could be either the thermostat or a blocked flow or a bad radiator. The waterpumps normally will not give you any troubles :)
     
  24. Frari

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    You can have your expansion tank cleaned. You said that the radiator area was making noise. I would follow a system of checks. 1 radiator cap,replace if faulty, if still leaking water and running hot 2. Belts driving water pump is it tight enough and working correctly if ok and still hot 3. thermostat remove it and test if it operates then 4. pressure test the system if no leaks then 5 bleed system refill and check temperature if still overheating check waterpump for noise and if need be remove and rebuild.
    In my experience radiator caps usually do not simply fail they generally wear out slowly. Whatever you do watch your temps carfully until you discover the cause of the problem.I would also check your oil for any sign of water ie a white glug on the top of the dip stick.
     
  25. Flinch

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    The water pump on the colombo quad cam is not driven by any belt. It is chain driven. To remove the pump the chain as to come off and that means dropping the sump. And that can only be done if the engine is lifted out.

    Theo : You said that the radiator was noisy. Could not that be water pump bearings or maybe just the propellor came loose?
     

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