458 Italia vs McLaren MP4 Blighty - The UK press decides

No, you subtracted fuel to compare to EVO car, however the EVO quote was a curb weight (there is no point in comparing anything otherwise). So, you cannot get to EVO weight in any way. On top of that, I am still waiting for your explanation of the R&T numbers and the difference of 450 lbs between dry and curb weight.

 

Please read post 450.

You're toast... over and out.

 

Sorry, I don't see the picture plate on Sport Auto test. Can you post the link?

 

That's for MClaren, what's that have to do with Italia?

 

Hey, you ALWAYS say Ferrari does everything "bloated and heavy" and McLaren is so worried about weight. I'm giving YOU the benefit of the doubt by using their numbers -- from your own mouth.

You're not saying that Ferrari makes electric seats lighter than the McLaren, are you? How is that possible??? Why... they are so obsessed with weight!

Read post 450.

 

The EVO car is completely legit, that's what we can now go on without a doubt. We now have actual physical evidence of it being legit. The EVO weight is the weight of the car in a lightweight spec

 

You forgot:

Read post 450.

 

I am toast, b/c you don't know what curb weight is? With the fattest car seats you cannot get close to EVO weight. You have to take out fuel weight to get close enough. That, however, is just confusion on your part. Again, why is the R&T car so heavy even though it has forged wheels, racing seats and everything carbon?

 

Sorry, I missed it, what is the physical evidence?

 

No, you're toast because you can't add, subtract, or believe Evo's numbers even though they confirmed them to be true.

How many times do I have to say I didn't use Curb weight????? Are you reading now? I.... did....not....use....curb...weight...in....my....calculations.

Read post 450.

 

Harris put his name on it, you've already forgotten?

 

Please, show the math again,this time using proper definition of curb weight. Now, that you know, it should not be so hard. Go ahead, teach me to add and subtract.

 

You clearly have problems, both swiss weight and EVO weight are curb weights. You are using curb weights all the time. I guess you did not notice.

 

Meaning the piss comment is the physical evidence?

 

So you mean to say that his comment on Ferrari cheating is piss?

 

The comment that Evo does not let mfr take the piss out of them is the physical evidence ?

 

Now, let me get this straight.... I just want to make sure I'm not talking to a crazy person here.

You want me to give you a definition of curb weight when I didn't use curb weight in the calculation.

Now, why would that matter.

I'll do this.

Whatever you want to call "curb weight" I'll agree to that. Let's call it Kryzs weight from now on. Happy?

Now, go back to my post and read that I took an independant and respected car sight's test of a fully optioned Italia with a full tank, then subtracted the weight of the gas to make it equal to all the cars, then took out the equipment difference that is IN THE PHOTOS of both test cars and I got to within 50 lbs. Now, it's totally reasonable to assume that 50 lbs of weight can be removed from other options that we don't know about (I'm giving YOU the benefit of the doubt here).

So, we are arguing about 50 lbs. Get it.... 50 lbs. If the test driver took a crap between tests it would be 10% of that margin.

You just can't admit you're wrong. But, you are and we (and the editors at Evo) know it.

 

Don't avoid my question, Harris put his name on the line (just like he did on his Jalopnik article) saying that the 458 in this latest test was a legitimate car.

 

Oh I forgot.

Read post 450.

 

You clearly don't know that the reported EVO weight is curb weight (with full tank), consequently you cannot substracts the 122 lbs from the Swiss car to compare it to the EVO car. You are not aware that magazines only quote curb weight. Consequently, even if you assume that the electric seats were 50 kg, you still have 172 lbs of discrepancy to explain (not 50).

In truth, if I remember correctly what my Ferrari dealer told me, i think the ferrari difference is 50 lbs between the two type of seats, but I would not swear by it.

 

Harris said that Evo does not participate in the same practices as other magazines. He did not say the weight was legitimate. Sure, though, it does look like he is excluding EVo from the criticism he leveled against the (UK publishing) industry. This does help the Ferrari case, but there are limits to it, since unlike his previous rants, which went against his interests, this one clearly furthers them. Still, it is helpful as it does lessen the burden of suspicion against Ferrari.

 

458 vs. MP4? These are road cars, they are meant for runs to dinner parties and drives in the countryside. Why all the bother about weights and measures, which is typically best decided with cars prepared for the track? The F40 is epic because it believes it should not be going to dinner parties and in the wet it may kill you.

 

Oh, there is no point, just fun.

 

He was never hurt from his rant... He participated in this test with a Ferrari provided car. When the FF was tested by EVO and people thought it funny that Harris was not at the test Harry Metcalf, the owner of EVO, said it had nothing to do with Harris' rant and that is was a timing issue. That makes your new argument (which contradicts all of your claims against Ferrari based on Harris and his statements or "piss") invalid and mute. You're now having trouble trusting Harris now that he is saying positive things about the Ferrari, even though you were explicit in your complete trust in the very same man just a day ago.

 

Let me ask you this.

Do you think Evo doesn't monitor what is said here? Do you think they just go home everyday and don't care what the major blogs say about what they write?

Are you going to continue this lost argument that they are either stupid (because YOU see the obvious problem in the weight that they can't) or don't care that they are being made a fool of or are blatantly lying about the data for some reason only they understand?

Really... that's your excuse for losing the test? Trash Evo?

Geez you have really reached bottom.

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