Is Ferrari Chat the "Official Ferrari Consumer Advocacy Group" (OFCAG)? There was another thread where Sheehan was brought up as a curmudgeon. But hold on....if this place maintains the proper back channels on the market, specific cars, specific stories, specific people.....how could that ever be a bad thing? How is 'endless threads' a bad thing. Doesn't that mean the forum is healthy and active? Man...talk about waking the sleeping lion.
Can we see the article in its entirety? At the very least, we should know why he's saying this before we tear him a new one.
LOL, will have to read the entire article. I don't take those two sentences as Sheehan or dealers being negative towards FerrariChat.com. I compare it to someone saying you don't want to drive drunk, or you might end up with a DWI and listed in the paper! Duh!!! I think FerrariChat.com has been great for all owners and the good dealers, the way it should be.
well I don't see those two sentences being Sheehan attacking FerrariChat, more like stating the obvious. I want to read the rest too, because then there might be reason. hey Carbon, any reason Dr Who has it out for several of your x-bosses?
I see that what it means is if you talk about your rusted out frame on Ferrarichat, it will be noted here for all time. Not a bad thing, but will make it harder to sell if the person looks. If you read between the lines what it says is "if you are going to buy a ferrari and want to know the dirt on the specific car you are looking at, check Ferrarichat." Although there is some peanut gallery bashing that goes on over cars that we don't really know. That can make it harder to sell a legitimate car. Sounds like there will be a boost in viewership in the shortterm after this mention.
Works both ways though. I know a fellow who jumped on a Lambo for sale after going to a Lambo site and reading what a great experience the prior owner had. Years of positive remarks detailing the ownership made him feel great about his purchase. That's what I'm doing in my thread in the Mondial section, showing the world what a great car I have. When it's time to sell it will be worth Millions!
And I thought the information sharing on the internet was a good thing. Who knew! BTW: I have this great buddy who used to go by the name "Bernie Madoff". If you don't tell anyone, I have a super money making proposition! Just don't put it on Ferrarichat!!!!
Ah, okay, I got it now; sorry, I'm slow. I'd really like to see the rest of that article, so we can enlighten those Sheehan lovers in the other thread.
This is Sheehan being disingenuous at best. He is saying that if you have a known issue with the car you are selling don't let Carfax know and don't let FChat know, because if that information becomes widely disseminated the value of your car will drop. That is all well and good when he represents sellers, but given his statement, how on earth do you trust Sheehan when you are a buyer? Now I have dealt with him on some very high buck purchases, specifically one where he had previously represented a car I bought for a client, and he wangled a nice commission for himself, even 'though he had failed to sell the car. The answer is, trust no-one when you are spending serious car money. Verify everything and get an independent PPI from a technician who has no expectation getting work as a result of the PPI.
I'd like to make it clear that I'm not bashing Sheehan by starting these two threads. I have talked to him a couple of times over the years, but he doesn't know me from a hole in the ground. Like many of you, I have heard stories. Then again, I have heard stories about many of you! Seriously, I mean no ill will. I'm sure most of you, like me, have brought and sold any number of cars in your time, which means you have dealt with any number of car salesmen. It's a game. I personally find it wearisome, but the beat goes on. But, I find Sheehan's comments refreshing because he at least has the nerve to say publicly what many say privately; namely, Ferrari build quality is a joke. The quote below comes from an article describing a case where Ferrari put two different VINs on a 2000 Maranello. Come on! This is not 1956. We're talking about a 2000 year car. Geeze Louise. But I digress. The real issue is the "old school" guys versus the Internet where anybody can be, and is, an instant expert on everything. Dale
I don't think you're bashing anyone. I think it's pretty funny. Why would anyone be afraid of the truth about their car? The only ones who have something to fear have something to fear.
The dual VINs fiasco is just a minor, albeit frustratingly inconveniencing, problem; one whose existence proves that some things are still hand-made in Maranello. Sheehan's quote, which I might be taking out of context because I haven't read the article in its entirety, doesn't seem to suggest that Ferrari's build quality is a joke, but rather potential buyers (or sellers?) should avoid sites like this because of what might be said about the history of a certain car (let alone what valuable information might be available about certain models).
In other words, and these are my words, Ferrari's build quality is a joke. If you don't believe me, go to a dealership sometime when they prep new cars. Warning - the process is like making sausage. You don't wanna know. Dale PS I'll give Sheehan credit for saying this: Driving a car with two VIN numbers can result in you spending a night in the graybar motel. I would not call this an inconvenience.
Cops don't check VINs during routine traffic stops. The only inconvenience is when the owner discovers the error and needs to get everything straightened out with the factory, the DMV and their insurance company.