f40 vs enzo - collectibility

+1 That and the fact that (correct me if I am mistaken Joe...) the F40 was the last car introduced/launched while Enzo was alive. That alone put's it in a whole other category.

The 288 GTO is amazing, collectible and rare but never raced and to many (not the educated mind you...) just looks like a 308 with a body kit.

The F50 was also amazing but never captured the raw brutality/charm of the F40.

Dream Garage - Currently made up of 1/18 Scale models => F40 / F50 / 355 GTS / 250 GTO
Real Garage - 355 GTS

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You know what i noticed after spending the weekend with both? The F40 gets no love when an Enzo is around. We were at a concours and at the track, and people were simply more attracted by the Enzo. I was surprised. I knew people in the streets were more attracted by the Enzo but i would have thought that people who are into cars, would be all over both..but it was the Enzo that was the star.

 

I find that amazing and odd as well... very odd.

 

I find it perferctly rational. The Enzo is like a spaceship compared to the old timer...

 

Don't disagree from a technological standpoint but the string was around Iconic and Collectible I believe which at least for me puts the F40, F50, 288 GTO and obviously the 250 GTO ahead of the Enzo.

Kind of like comparing a P51 Mustang with an F18

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Many people nowadays want the most modern collectible items though. In its time, the Enzo was as important, if not more, than the F40 was in its time. Plus it's much rarer and more striking/exotic looking.

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So should we disregard the 250GTO and the 250SWB? The Enzo was simply a carry over of keeping the dream alive while the F40 was a true racecar for consumers. The 288GTO history is well known so I won't go into that, too each their own.

 

There's really no right or wrong answer to this question and really no way to predict (or define) "collectibility" as it relates to the supercars. None of them are likely to depreciate much (if at all) simply because of what they are. Chances are they will all appreciate with time. They are all limited production Ferraris and each represents a significant milestone in Ferrari's history.

 

sorry, shud have quoted it...i was agreeing with the post directly above mine that the 360cs may end up being a collectible...

to amenasce's observation i would say that it depends a little on the age group of the crowd. the enzo is the latest and greatest so it will attract people just for that reason. plus it has been made in far fewer numbers so a more rare sight. it is high tech so it gets all the hi tech types attention.

my guess is if you took it to a place full of ferrari types, the result might be different. it would also be interesting to see what happens between these 2 once the f70 comes out.

 

I think that was Andrew's point - the two were parked at a concours, which surely implies the average attendee is at least a little bit of a car guy.

 

I've seen the same thing when I take the F40 and Enzo out for shows and trips. The F40 is virtually ignored by all age groups when the Enzo is next to it. I see the same thing happen in my own garage!

The other thing I noticed is how the Enzo tends to really attract the attention of people that don't know about or care about cars. My mother-in-law is one of those. When she saw the F40, she didn't say anything. She probably just thought it was the CS. But when she saw the Enzo, she said "Wow, that's new, isn't it?".

I've seen the Enzo convert many people who don't care about cars at all. When I see these people later, they always want to see the Enzo again and tell me how they read about it on the internet. It's very exotic, especially when seen in person. I felt the same way when I first saw the Enzo in person (not in photos).

And sitting in one elicits an even stonger emotional response for the first timers.

 

Well, clearly a car that's worth over the actual & psychological pricepoint of a million dollars is always impressive......

 

Except the non-car person that notices the Enzo over all other cars doesn't know what it's worth. It is impressive in person. Here are some first-time Enzo viewers...
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They have no idea what it is worth. They even ask if this is the latest one, and when i say it's from 2003, they are in shock.

 

Andrew: a public show is quite different from a place like, say, a Cars & Coffee full of owners & enthusiasts who know every single detail about the cars that are there. At those places I notice crowds around the F40s much more than around the Enzos. Horses for courses.

 

Immaculate GTO sitting on the floor at Ferrari of Denver - Not for sale. Another one in the service area that has been there since last year but is finally off the lift.

Beautiful!

 

That car is definitely both immaculate & not for sale: 56331, that is.

 

Based on the 458 Italia, the F70 is going to be amazing. the lines of the 458 are beautiful and I am expecting the F70 to be as well. I also expect variable front spoilers and 700 bhp.

And substantially all of them will be added to collections.

This probably will not effect Enzo prices much...but it will "hurt" F40s less.

Now the F40 is really a drivers car...no nannies. No ABS. Now power steering. And the twin turbos kick in like a freight train. This icon will always be valued by enthusiasts.

I would buy the F40 cause I love it. cars are not investments to me.

Also I would hope that my driving abilities are worthy of the F40. I have no concerns about my ability to drive an Enzo.

 

As an F40 owner since 1998, I never bought the car with the notion that it would appreciate greatly in price. I wanted the car because of what it was, why it was built and the fact that it really represented Enzo's concept before he passed away. I have seen them race in IMSA and they were, as privateer cars, extremely competitive. So, the basic design was excellent.
There is no car I have driven, including my race car that gives me the visceral feeling that the F40 does. However, that has a downside. If you are not an experienced driver it can be a handful and can put you in some precarious positions. There are no drivers aids of any kind as you probably know.
If you have the skills and respect its performance, then the F40 is amazing. Whether it appreciates a lot in the future, only time will tell. But the real benefit is driving it, there is nothing like it. Perhaps when I had the good fortune to ride in a 250 GTO.

 

Could not have explained it any better, thanks.

 

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As a Ferrari fan, but not owner.. When considering the Ferrari 'Supercars', why not group 250/288/599 GTO and then f40/f50/Enzo separately? Seems as though GTO's are special editions of 'standard' ferrari's - defiately not trying to take anything from them, where as the f40/f50/enzo are true 'supercars'..

Sorry to get off topic, just curious...

 

Great writeup. If you purchased an F40 in 1998, I'd like to humbly suggest that you have impeccable timing.

 

I agree. I wasn't sure about the Enzo's styling when I first saw it in photos, but it does look fantastic in person. Plus, the drivetrain looks amazing when the engine compartment's open. It really is a super special car. That said, I still giggle when I see an F40 in person.

 

Frankly, I don't get this whole collectibility thing. Are you saying it makes sense to buy a car as an investment? Dat's some funny sheet, mon. I mean, come on, I can be a delusional as the next guy; but next thing you're gonna tell me is a buying a boat is a good idea.

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