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Maarten, a friend of yours, NS from Rotterdam has bought one recently.

 

Would anyone here care to scan an article to me from Forza issue #6? If so, please PM.

Thank you.

Jack.

 

The complete set of Wimpffen books, excluding "Monocoques and Ground Effects", just brought the equivqlent of $2,221.80 at the Bonham's Festival of Speed auction.

Jack

 

I was gonna look last night, but was out househunting with Chinese Daisy (and Valeria, no funny business) I'll get by tonight and check my bookcase for you.

Unless someone else comes thru quicker...

 

Thanks, Alan. Except for your kind offer it's been crickets!

Jack.

 

Jack:

I just saw this post. If you can wait until Tuesday (July 5th), I'll gladly scan the article and send it to you via a .pdf e-mail attachment, if Alan doesn't come through first. Just let me know.

Best,

Scott

 

Do you have the scan allready? Otherwise i'm more than happy to provide you the scan. I have it for sure. Please pm me if still needed.

Maarten

 

Go for it Maarten, by the time I go and find it and get back to a scanner it'll be next Tuesday!!!

 

Thanks! Have spoken with NS at the Modena Trackdays. We all had a great time there!

 

No problem, Jack please send details of what you need and your email-adress. Best by pm. Meanwhile i have issue #6 in front of me...

 

What did that include? The set Time and Two Seats, and three of the four corresponding picture books? If so, that seems like a lot. Are not the picture books still available?

George

 

all, except the first one: Open Roads and Front Engines. Occasionally, but rarely, you can find one at booksellers, who ask crazy prizes for it.

Best Regards from Germany

Martin

 

I found this book by David Manton of NZ mentioned in Ferrarichat.com
and wonder if it is a well written, documented book. The website (http://ferrarisecretwar.com/author.html) seems
to have some great pictures in color I haven't seen before but I can't figure out from the Amazon.com GB ad whether those pictures are in the book. Like to hear from someone who has read it? I know that Brock Yates in his Ferrari biography, implied Ferrari was in bed with the Nazis and even Carroll Shelby has pointed out that there was a lot of German equipment in Ferrari's shop during the war.

Paperback: 308 pages
Publisher: Bridgehampton Publishing Limited
Release date: (1 July 2011)
Language English
ISBN-10: 0983413304
ISBN-13: 978-0983413301
Product Dimensions: 25.1 x 20.3 x 1.8 cm

The book was selling for something like 21 GB Pounds Sterling on Amazon.com.UK

 

No knowledge of this book , but the reason the Allied forces bombed him was his work towards the axis war effort.

I don't think you can go as far as label him a sympathizer, tho......he was notoriously tight lipped about that period in interviews...

Might be interesting....hopefully we can get a review soon???

I would not think Brock Yates nor Carroll Shelby were around Maranello during WW2???

 

I have read it and enjoyed it. There are no color photos in the book, only black and white. This book makes the case that Ferrari was doing something of a high rope act between both ends of the political spectrum. As I said, well worth reading.

 

I read it last weekend. Since I'm not an historian or researcher, it's difficult for me to know how accurate it is historically, but I found it worth reading. Unless some known scholar on Ferrari refutes it with contrary evidence I see no reason to discount it, although his implication that Ferrari had an illigitimate daughter named Rita wasn't well supported, in my opinion.

Jack.

 

I don't know, because sadly I missed it and won't pay those prizes.
But paying $500,-- would be plain silly, because Bull Publishing still has the 'Publisher's Edition' in stock at $ 295,--.
In my opinion those books are worth $ 100,-- each. I have 'Spiders and Silhouettes' and 'Winged Sportscars...'. They are nice, but we are not talking 'Ferrari in Camera'.

http://www.bullpublishing.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=55

Best Regards

Martin

 

Nor would I think that either of them could be viewed as neutral, especially Shelby given his well-known antipathy towards EF.
EF has never been known to express any political views, and I expect he did what he felt was necessary during the war to be in a position to go racing again as soon as he could. Even whilst making machine tools he was still planning to build racing cars. He was quite single-minded in that respect.
Nathan

 

Well, if historians and biographers had to live in the eras they wrote about, there wouldn't be much history written!

 

Nathan covers the points I was trying to make, much more eloquently!!

 

Exactly. Manton's book almost reads like something out of Luigi Barzini's classic, The Italians. While maintaining "la bella figura" to the outside world, do whatever you need to do to survive (and hopefully, thrive).

I was impressed with his extensive use of primary sources. He has worked with the likes of Gozzi, Benzi, Forghieri, Tazzioli, Scaglietti, etc. They are the last of the old guard who were there personally and are still living, so, at this point, their recollections are probably about as close as you are going to get to what really happened.

As for "Rita", it is pretty much tossed out there, but qualified that the case is far from certain. Enzo Ferrari certainly was something of a womanizer. As such, I would not exclude it from the realm of the possible...

 

I agree with that, but I think Manton came pretty close to legitimizimg (no pun intended) Rita's relationship to EF. I wonder if he attempted to investigate local birth records in order to try to identify her mother, thereby potentially locating surviving family members and friends who could confirm or dismiss the Ferrari connection.

Also, I found it rather surprising that (unless I missed it) Manton does not mention if Pat Hoare and Col. RJ "Ronnie" Hoare were related in any way. I have sent an email to the author asking about this.

 

I am awaiting the book. Wonder if anybody read it. I remember Shelby saying something about Ferrari's shop having a lot of German equipment in it, but then Italy was in cahoots with the Nazis during the war. Apparently this book says Enzo was helping the allies....

from Amazon's listing:


Enzo Ferrari's Secret War [Paperback]
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The saga of Enzo Ferrari’s wartime double-game, keeping the Nazis guessing, and his undercover secret missions. This is about history, mystery, at least two brutal murders, a wartime romance and the desirable high-performance automobiles from Italy. Linking them all is Enzo Ferrari’s determination and skills, his tenacity and his high risk role-playing under pressure.

The dangerous secret role was a gamble which enabled his company to grow and, after the war, make global automotive and motorsport history. This book will change perceptions of the Ferrari story. The company’s growth over more than half a century is linked to five years of war and Enzo Ferrari’s secret life. Also revealed is the involvement of New Zealand soldiers fighting in Italy, their role in the Ferrari story, and Ferrari’s impact on New Zealand motorsport after the war.


The intriguing story of a motoring legend’s hidden life emerges after decades of silence. His double-game deception remained undiscovered by both Nazis and Fascists during the last years of World War Two and many details of his undercover existence appear for the first time.


The risks were huge as Ferrari’s factory workers and Partisans operated at night, manufacturing and repairing weapons for Italy’s Resistance fighters. While Ferrari was outwardly cooperating with the German Army and the Fascists, he was secretly assisting both Communist and Partisan guerilla units and also undertaking covert assignments. One of these dangerous missions required him to smuggle a senior political official out of Modena to safety, avoiding roadblocks and a probable firing squad if they had been discovered.


Ferrari called this time “Judgment by Gunshot” after his former boss was machine-gunned in the street and, only weeks later, a business partner and close friend was kidnapped - and never seen again. Alarmed by these executions, Ferrari realised he could be next. His survival during those violent years allowed him to develop the business he created during the war into an automotive success - and to achieve global motorsport history. The growth of his company also involved a small number of other charismatic, high-achieving individuals. These included Colombo, Chinetti, Pininfarina, Scaglietti and also Pat Hoare, a little-known New Zealand soldier serving in Italy. Hoare’s actions probably saved a key engineer’s life and helped shape the Ferrari company’s future. This is the story of those individuals and one attractive young woman.


The book also describes the resulting Italian influence, anecdotes and memories from New Zealand motorsport during the postwar years. This followed Pat Hoare’s return from Italy and what Enzo Ferrari’s considered was the personal debt he owed to New Zealand.



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Paperback: 308 pages
Publisher: Bridgehampton Publishing Limited (July 1, 2011)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0983413304
ISBN-13: 978-0983413301
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"Ferrari - Journal D'Une Legende" by Serge Bellu...does anyone know if there are plans to publish this book in English?

Thanks.

Jack