2011 FORMULA 1 SANTANDER BRITISH GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

No Nico bashing. He is good, but no good when on can really tell if a driver is worth their salt. And no, both MB's were on dry setups today.

 

That's the point we both agree on.

 

coming from someone who would never compliment Schu under any circumstances, I fail to understand your viewpoints as they are neither fair nor objective, but rather they are biased. Give credit where it's due. Ferrari doesn't even hold a grudge. Have you cashed the check Montezemolo sent to you for hating Schu yet?

 

I like Schu but Nico used his melon in this race after a poor start. 6th in the fourth best team, kept his head down and preserved his tires . Excellent result.




Accolades to young Perez and Seinfeld also. Nick started 16th! and held off Mike for 17 laps to take 8th.

Shame about DiResta. Loved his reaction when EJ told him to go and party like DC used to..
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I agree there that Nico was/is much more conservative. But also look at some facts. He had a very poor start and has been a poor starter all year long. He is no good in the rain, and today's half second+ per lap is inexcusable. Also, that's his problem, he is very conservative and not a fighter and guys like him don't win championships because of this. Vettel is very much the same way and he proved today he is no good when not in first place. Anyway, if Nico were Massa, people would be CRYING in the streets for Massa to be kicked from the team. Massa has never ever been a full half second+ off-pace from his teammate through the course of a race though.

There are other ways besides black/white wins/losses to tell a drivers merit and that's how good drivers are found and eventually become great drivers. DiResta was brilliant today but finished very poorly due to some bad luck. Does that mean Sutil is better? Absolutely not, that's just racing and luck is luck.

Until Schu haters can be more objective with their findings in regards to his performance/luck/technical happenings/sector times/lap times and prove not be biased, they should remain at the kiddy table. Not a one is going to argue that Schu was not 'on it' today, except bias Schu haters commenting from the peanut gallery. Give it a rest

 

If RBR was using team orders since last year, it would not have been as close as it was towards the end. The very fact that Webber was in it towards the end is proof that he had been free to race.

 

Did you even watch F1 last year?

 

The penalty was harsher than any other penalty for similar incidents this year, and the penalty was the only one given out for such an incident in this particular race, despite at least 2 or 3 other equivalent incidents (Buemi/DiResta, Hamilton/Mass).

I don't see how you can argue that the penalty was justified, unless anything done against MS is considered justified by default

 

That's an invention just for this race - and IMO just a justification (not necessarily by you, but by whomever originally claimed it).

In prior years, penalties at Silverstone have been no different than at other races. As a matter of fact, Alonso got a drive-through (among others) just last year at Silverstone. For officials or anyone to suggest the penalties were given out in that manner to somehow equalize them to other tracks is ridiculous.

 

+1

 

Bless you. +1000000

 

Unlike regular racing incidents where two cars go for the same corner this case was just ridiculous: MS had no chance of passing Kobi and just takes him out. This wasn't even close since he only is able to reach Kobys car with his front wing (unlike eg Hami vs Massa where we saw full car contact).

Whether intentional or not I don't care. It was a rookie move and deserved a penalty.

 

All the people talking about team orders are speaking from emotion, not logic.

There is a lot of presumption that RBR did this or that just to make sure Vettel won. There is no need to invent conspiracy theories. If, last year, Webber was the designated #2 and it was Vettel's championship all along, then Webber would not even been in with a shot at the end.

Game, set, match - end of discussion. No other presumptions or guesses about what was going on within the team trump what happened on the track.

 

You are ignoring two facts:

- team orders were used in Turkey
- Webber wasn't given the wing at Silverstone

 

You're way too biased against MS to see this issue clearly, but the facts don't lie.

1) No other stop-and-go penalties have been issued this year for collisions. I can't remember one being issued last year either.

2) The claims that they gave out stop-and-go penalties because the pits are short is bogus, because that was never the case in prior years, and has never been the case at other tracks. Therefore, it is clearly an after-the-fact excuse

3) There were other incidents in this race that were at *least* as egregious as the MS/Kobi incident (Massa/Hamilton and Buemi/DiResta). I would say the MS/Kobi incident was the most benign of the three, then the LH/Massa next, and the Buemi/DiResta one was the worst. Yet only the MS/Kobi move was penalized.


So, we have the harshest penalty ever given out in the past two years, given only at this track, and only to MS for a collision, when other collisions were not penalized.

If you think that was justified, you're just too biased to see it clearly. Pretty much all of the pundits are agreeing that MS was screwed.

It's like my mom used to say when I was a kid... "do you think you're right, and EVERYONE else in the world is wrong?"

 

Kobayashi went very wide and Michael went for the inside line, and in doing so slipped a tiny bit during braking just as many others had been. Michael took blame for it because he is a humble person when the truth is it was a crap call and everyone who doesn't hate him knows it.

 

A fact is something you know to be true. You are presuming team orders were used in Turkey and presenting that as a fact - it is not. Vettel was faster than Webber, and the only data I've ever seen is that Webber was on fuel saving mode and Vettel was not. The idea that this was only so Vettel could pass is a presumption - and not even a reasonable presumption at that. And furthermore, even if it was true, it is not a team order. A team order is just that - an order - not a difference between the cars. Therefore, it is not equivalent to what happened today.

Regarding the wing - again, that is not a team order. And as I said at the time, I would have done the same thing if I was the RBR team boss. Webber was not faster with the upgraded wing, Vettel was. Vettels was damaged. It was the right call to take it off Webbers car and put it on Vettels. Those who are complaining about it being unfair to Mark are just whining.

 

A pretty good race today for sure, very happy to see Ferrari/Alonso get the first win this season. I am not a Red Bull fan at all and the way they treat Webber just leaves me wondering what else is going on behind closed doors. It's really strange.


With Vettel leading by so much and the fact that it was for 2nd and not the win, why not just let Webber pass him?

 

Team orders...if it had been earlier in the race, then it would have been dirty, but with 2 laps to go, it was time to bring the cars and points home.

Schumi lost yet another front wing. Surely, Boss Hawg is getting tired of buying new ones. I wouldn't be surprised if Boss Hawg told Schumi at the next race, "Hier ist dein gummi Frontflügel."

 

congrats to ferrari. good stuff

 

That's how I saw it. Kobi moved wide and Schu was a sitting duck in the wet.

 

Where there's smoke, there's fire. Lewis had a few too many hits with people this year and was justifiably punished and put in his place.

I love MS and really want him to do well, but it's time to stop running into other cars! Forget the penalties etc, if MS is going to beat Nico he has to stop running into people and screwing up his own race. I agree that MS is out driving Nico in other ways, but sadly for MS, that's not what you win points for.

 

MS has always been a "all or nothing" type of driver - he was never one to do well mid-pack.

I find it sort of refreshing that he still has that fire.

 

no argument there!