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Miura, the original supercar

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  1. thedoc

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    I have some original passenger footrest rubber (exactly as the pic above) leftover from my interior resto .
    Anybody want it for cheap just
    PM me


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  2. Fave

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    Curious, if I wanted to get myself into a Miura SV, what kind of price range are we talking?
    from runs but needs everything (resto) to already resto'd.
     
  3. big ease

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    You forgot the ones that do not run and needs ever thing!!
     
  4. joe sackey

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    #8854 joe sackey, Jul 14, 2011
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    I much preferred 5092 in its original "Oro" livery. In fact when I spoke with Walter Wolf in 20054 and brought the color-change of his former car to his attention, he was sorry to hear of it.

    Here are my notes from that conversation:

    "I had owned 3 Miuras, and this gold SV was available in early '73 so I took it. I had all my cars registered with my automobile company in Germany, and I drove it a lot waiting for the new Countach. In 1974, I had a small incident with it and I returned it to the factory for complete reconditioning. I had them put a small steering wheel like that of my racing cars and I had them transfer some of the controls (headlight switches etc) to the steering column so I would not have to take my hands off the steering at speed to employ them".

    "I got it back from the factory in 1975 (by then I had my first white Countach with the roof wing) and then I gave it to my wife Barbara at the time as a gift. Unlocked rear hood blew open and completely torn off from the chassis on the autobahn at over 100 mph whilst being driven by Barbara! Factory replaced it circa 1975 at a cost of $5,000 at the time! We kept 5092 at our homes all over Europe and when we separated, she had to sell it. I offered to buy it back from her, but it was too late, it was gone to a new home in Switzerland. It's a shame that you tell me it is now refinished in yellow. The gold color was very special for that car and it (5092) has a lot of good memories for me. But, that's in the past now. The Miura was a great car, but nothing like the Countach".
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  5. Miura Jota

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    #8855 Miura Jota, Jul 14, 2011
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    Tell us more Wolf tales Joe please

    P.s. Sure it would look much nicer in ORO
     
  6. Fave

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    Well when I say run, I mean it turns over and goes back and forth. I didn't mean it would get you anywhere. Lol
     
  7. miurasv

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    Joe, do you know if Mr Wolf thought that the Miura was a great car but it was nothing like as good as the Countach or if he thought it was just very different from the Countach?
     
  8. joe sackey

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    #8858 joe sackey, Jul 14, 2011
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    Wolf thought the Countach was a much better driving car than the Miura.
     
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  10. joe sackey

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    #8860 joe sackey, Jul 15, 2011
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    Actually I'm being diplomatic. Whilst considering that this is one man's opinion, he thought the Miura handled like "crap" compared to the Countach. Who am I to question his feelings on this? Whilst he had his Countach in 1977, his F1 cars won 3 Grand Prix in Argentina, Monaco & Canada beating Ferrari each time in the process and he was very involved in the setup of his F1 cars.
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  11. joe sackey

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    #8861 joe sackey, Jul 15, 2011
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  12. LC3929

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    why did you post a photo of 1120148 here?
     
  13. miurasv

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    That's why I asked you to clarify Mr Wolf's opinion earlier as he does know how a car should handle.
     
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    #8864 miurasv, Jul 15, 2011
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    It may have been because this is one of the cars, if not the car, that Mr Wolf had in mind when he made his statement comparing the Miura to the Countach, so relevant to the Miura thread?
     
  15. EMILIO

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    i heard many similar opinions, i am not so surprised to hear this

    i talked with a verde miura S owner last weeck
    he also owns many other cool cars: like a diablo GT, an LP640, F40, ghibli...etc
    side by side with his car he told to me
    the miura is sooooo nice to look at but...honestly it does not handle so well...it is a dangerous car to drive fast
     
  16. joe sackey

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    Actually, you are right 1120202 or 1121002 would have been more appropriate.
     
  17. joe sackey

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    I think LC3929 is referring to my parallel-links comment and astutely observing that 1120148 did not yet have parallel-linked suspension, whereas 1120202 & 1121002 did.
     
  18. Miura Jota

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    #8868 Miura Jota, Jul 15, 2011
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    Let's face it ;
    Miura must had became a vintage car overnight when It's outrageous replacement arrived
    Sad But True :eek:

    that doesn't mean Miuras aren't even more loved than Countaches today :D


    Having said that
    can we see a pic of 112-0006
    It seems that Bianco car is rare even for pics
     
  19. miurasv

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    I see. In comparing the Miura to the Countach it can be said that the Miura is (subjectively) the more beautiful car, especially in SV form, (though the Countach still remains the most visually stunning car ever made) but underneath their skins the Countach space frame chassis is a true work of art imho and here it's got the Miura beat. In its defence the Miura chassis is an earlier and understandably more primitive design, although sensational when introduced.

    In contradiction to what has been said earlier in comparing the two cars, I have also read that the SV was a better car than the early Countach.
     
  20. LC3929

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    Yes.
     
  21. LC3929

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    Subjectively - this is the most important word here. Perhaps you can't believe it, but there are people who say that the Countach LP400 is the more beautiful car. Others say that the S1 ist the most beautiful car. So what? Your preferred choice seems to be the SV, this is ok, but it does not justify to say that only the chassis of the Countach "has got the Miura beat". A Miura is a Miura, and a Countach is something really different.
     
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    imo Wolf was correct. I owned a Miura S in 2000 which I bought for $55K. The beauty was breathtaking, but a month or so later someone offered me $65K for it. I was disappointed in the way it handled compared to a LP400 and a QV. (sidenote: LP400 with fatter tires, being so light, impresses too) The latter were much better driving cars in all respects....brakes, handling, steering, acceleration, lack of chassis flex, etc. I guess that is technology for ya. In spite of the beauty of the Miura, I thought it wise to take the profit, primarily because I was disappointed in the driving dynamics compared to Countachs.

    But obviously, selling the car was a stupid move, because I just missed the crazy Miura appreciation curve.
     
  23. miurasv

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    I didn't say that "only" the chassis of the Countach "has got the Miura beat". I said that the Miura is (subjectively) the more beautiful car and you're right, 'subjectively' is the most important word but I also said that the Countach remains the most visually stunning car ever made too so as far as looks go what I said gives them equal credit. I agree that there are people who would say that the Countach is the more beautiful car. And yes, "A Miura is a Miura and a Countach is something really different" and isn't it great that they are so different and yet both fantastic.
     
  24. Miura Jota

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    #8874 Miura Jota, Jul 16, 2011
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    That hurts :eek:

    as for the appreciation curve

    Blame it on Sackey , It's all his fault right after the 2000 Miura gathering :rolleyes: (just kidding) :rolleyes:

    BTW I still have a 90's Forza maganize advertisement

    of a 1967 Miura 1967 For Sale $ 29 990 USD
     
  25. miurasv

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    Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I would not have said selling the car was a stupid move as car market prices can just as easily fall as well as rise. You took a very nice $10,000 profit too and if you bought a Countach with the money at least you got what you think is the better car dynamically and that could have been the one to sky rocket in price and still it may.
     

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