FORMULA 1 ENI MAGYAR NAGYDÍJ 2011: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

RB will bring a big diffusor update in Spa.

It might be the KERS batteries, although it doesn't look like a LiIo battery failure - they don't blow up in a single big explosion. I have a video which I fear I'm not allowed to post, but the cells ignite with a sharp distinct flame that is very hard to put out and constantly re-ignites.

What I notice is that the explosion happens shortly after the burning parts are being showered with the extinghuisher foam. Perhaps there's something under pressure in a hot (due to the fire) vessel which rapidly cools down when being sprayed at, leading to tension in the material, failure of the vessel and release of the pressure. Or the tension itself is high enough to cause that 'explosion'.

 

What a great race! Jensen really likes to win in style doesn't he? This and Canada were both great races.

 

Huh?

You are hard to please.

I thought that was one of the best races of the season. Had all the elements of drama with lots of passing, spins, strategy conundrum with changing conditions etc.

This wasn't the typical Hungary follow the leader but don't pass race at all.

Granted we got lucky with the intermittent rain, but I think DRS and Pirellis are really helping this season to keep things interesting. Plus the dial-back on RB by the FIA.

 

+1 much improved GP over normal. Now if Valenica were even half as exciting.

 

Why? [Although, I too initially thought we were going to see the SC.]

However, he was well away from the racing line (on a straight), the track wasn't covered in debris and nobody was hurt (apart from the dude who got popped when the N2 tank exploded.) They had somewhere to drag it to. It was clearly visible to the drivers. "No problem!".....

Having said that, the extinguishers the marshals sprayed all over it didn't do the usual "and the fires instantly out" thing - *That* surprised me a little and got me wondering what they're using these days - With LiIon batteries and various "compressed gas" tanks, not to mention oil & petrol I reckon they need a good mix of extinguishants (and the knowledge to use 'em correctly) all round the circuit now - That fire did not want to go out!

Cheers,
Ian

 

Debris, extinghuisher foam and especially marshalls running around in the pit exit. These guys had to put out the fire, see that they don't get hurt (-> the explosion), and watch their back that no one leaving the pits hits them. Unnecessary danger to them IMHO.

 

+1 Seems that some here take some kind of morbid delight in constantly saying F1's boring all the time. My advice, go and watch the taxicabs! [I actually caught the end of the Brickyard 400 in my local bar - *Every* time I looked up there was not only a different leader, but the entire field had shuffled round - Absolutely no point in even looking until about 2 laps to go!..... Now *that's* boring to me......]

What "dial-back"?..... The only thing that's changed is they can't mess with engine maps between qualy and the race and it seems they were all doing it to a certain extent. OK, that may have slowed the Cans in qualy, but that's all.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Fair comments - It was certainly a close call and for sure we'd be howling now had anything "bad" happened. Conversely, the conspiracy theorists would be howling that it's all artificial and didn't warrant the SC

I guess we can be thankful that no harm was done.

Cheers,
Ian
PS - Without wishing to criticize the marshals, they didn't appear to be "on the case" the way they are in, say, the UK or Canada (?)

 

The rule change had a much more significant effect on RB than "just" less speed in qualy. Vettel hasn't won for 3 races in a row and admitted that it was never possible at Hungary.

Granted there are other factors (McLaren/Ferrari leap frogging and Vettel taking less risk), but overall the rule changed seemed to have accomplished exactly what they were hoping for.

As fans we sometimes overthink all the issues at hand. From time to time we need to take a step back from all the chatter/technical explanations/innuendo etc and just look at the bottom line of the results. Forget the whys, what ifs, couldas, shouldas, wouldas, just look at the points and they speak a pretty clear message.

 

We beg to differ..... There haven't been any rule changes for the races - Same as it ever was. Mclaren & Ferrari have simply caught up - But not as a result of any rule change.

I hear you, but again, that's not the result of any rule changes. It's a result (IMO) of the other two catching up.

Cheers,
Ian

 

And that message is, "Maaaaaaassssaaaa suuuuucks."

 

Ah yes, I forgot. Neo Whiting's backflip of his original salto mortale. The bending of the FIA Matrix.

 

Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

 

Some interesting comments from Stefano;

I know many here want him gone, but to me it's a little like trying to replace Phil - Who's gonna do any better? It sure seems like Pat is helping too. They're moving forward well IMO.

Regarding his point re the aero - We've often seen supposedly important aero bits fall off (barge boards in particular) and the car go quicker!.... Snake oil

Cheers,
Ian
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93592

 

Absolutely and completely untrue. I hope I don't get in trouble for posting the following, written by one of the mods in reference;

Not "mob rule", not one person with a bug up their arse, but rather an expansive and considered reaction from some of the most respected members here.

Cheers,
Ian

 

OK, I'll try a different way;

Can you please give me the details of the rule that you claim has changed?

Outside of the Silverstone debacle, I'll say again, the rules are the same now as they were at the start of the season - With the exception already mentioned.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Hey, don't beat a dead horse. I caved in on post #387.

 

My bad - I took that as "fighting talk!".....



Cheers,
Ian

 

24 hours of Spa are different machines and different speeds. In wet and dicy conditions we were moments away from a pile up.

No worries on that front... as long as you do not say anything against Mclaren or Hamilton you will be just fine!

 

I doubt that McLaren has catched up that fast. The cold weather is greatly beneficial to their tire hunger. I predict that they'll have more problems when it gets hot again.

 

Spa could be good for them, so much like the Ring with cool weather.

 

I still don't get the obsessive level of Hamilton hate. We've all hated on the most noteworthy Ferrari foils before; SCHUMACHER (during his Bennetton days), Hakkinen, Villenueve, Alonso, Montoya, Button, etc. However, the strange part of the Hamilton hating is that all of the other foils not only get a pass, they are actually propped up as examples of "graceful, gentlemanly driving" and can do no wrong. The same folks worshiping the virtues of St. Vettel this year were decrying his lack of poise under pressure last year. Everyone nuzzles up to Jensen Button this year, but rated him the 'most overrated driver in F1 history' in past seasons. I wonder what would have been said were it Hamilton who took Button out in Canada? Probably cries for jailing or public execution would have risen from some on this forum.

All of this is really besides the point in this case; the dual, "sock puppet" account is a no-no and Scuderia P1 did it.

But as far as the driver hating is concerned, when it's relatively twisted logic (i.e. hate any competitor not driving a Ferrari) I think it's no big deal. But when the Hamilton (AND Massa) hatred is so...subjective...it changes the complexion of the forum overall and many are left to wonder what it's really all about.

Just my $.02...

 

And yet the Massa thread exists and is allowed to thrive.

The Hamilton thread shut down and swept under the rug!

 

They're all still there. The primary Hamilton antagonist just isn't posting any longer.

I really don't get the Massa hate either. I know some don't think he's 'worthy', but a) Alonso doesn't want an equal driver as the #2 and b) save for bad luck, Massa would have been champ 3 years ago. He's had a star-crossed career, imo, but I feel like he gives his all.

He has limits to his ability (i.e. driving in the wet) but I don't see him as any worse than Rubens, Eddie Irvine, etc. It could be argued he was equal to Kimi.

 

Oh really?

Hamilton has not yet repeatedly been called a sphincter, and his nationality has yet to be insulted with full moderator impunity. Hamilton is treated with kid gloves compared to what Alonso has been subjected to on this forum.

And insulting Alonso repeatedly never led to any bans, nor did it send any self styled censors squealing to moderators.