Yeah, that comment makes a lot of sense. I'm sure Rubens would do better right? Ha... Oh, and Kimi is a WDC.
All you have to do is look at the results and how many DNF's they each had. Regardless of how hard you think RB is on his equipment, there were a few y e a r s in a row where Schumy had ZERO mechanical DNF's, and Rubens had about 15 during the same timeframe. IF you think RB was getting the same equipment, we need to sit down and have a long discussion about how Formula One works. More importantly, there always seemed to be a problem during RB's pit stops....shocker. Can't get a wheel nut on, can't get one off. It was endless. If you were not an RB fan you apparently didn't even notice it, but my brother got an earful during those years. It was freaking unreal how bad they screwed him. I have a few good books I can give you to read about it if you would like them. Again, I am not saying RB is a top tier driver, but those he say he isn't a very good one need to look at the record books. He has a decent number of wins, tons of podiums, and again, people like Ferrari don't put drivers in the cockpit because they don't believe they are fast. They just don't - they don't need the sponsorship dollars like the smaller teams do. MB
+1 Rubens is, and remains, just one step away from the very best. The car is crap, and it seems Williams have lost their way with it. As someone noted, he's South American and tends to wear his heart on his sleeve - He's always been that way, and I've never really interpreted his comments as whining. Having said that, he does come across badly in this particular article - You *never*, ever, criticize your team publicly. "I don't want to be a test driver" probably isn't one of his better quotes!..... Can you imagine the howls here if LH said the same!? [Oh, wait.... ] Cheers, Ian
Everyone pull out the tin foil hats! RB is (was) a good driver but he wasn't fit to iron Schumi's racing overalls. I think you're missing the point of the thread, I never said Barrichello sucked or anything but his whining is incessant and has been throughout his whole career. You can't deny that. I suspect it will get worse once it dawns on him (if it hasn't already) that he has no chance at any glory ever again.
Point taken. I guess after having watched racing for 35 years now, I have yet to hear a driver who doesn't ***** and moan about something:F1F The car sucks, the tires suck, the track conditions are horrible, the team isn't supporting me, the other drivers are holding me up in qually, or in the race, or....or....or RB doesn't ***** any more than any other driver. All I hear from F1 drivers is how they didn't get a clean lap when they sat in the ****ing pits for the first 15 minutes of a 20 minute session. Whatever. Perhaps I missed your point that you think RB complains more than the other drivers - I don't. I believe you have the right to your opinion; I however, respectfully disagree. MB
Vettel weighs in on Pirelli tires hes not happyPosted by Negative Camber on Mar 1, 2011 in Top Story | 21 comments Red Bull driver and current world champion Sebastian Vettel has weighed in on the Pirelli tires and the high level of degradation. His comments come 24 hours after SJ Skid posted the cautious tones of Ferraris Fernando Alonso about the same thing. Some F1 fans think the high-degradation tire formula will add an element of excitement to F1 and prompt multiple pit stops as well as more overtaking while others are mortified by the gimmickry of the concept as gleaned from last years Canadian Grand Prix when then-supplier Bridgestone missed the call on a compound that prompted excessive tire wear. The prevailing concern is the pace at which the tires degrade and many have suggested that the regulation requiring the teams to run both Prim and Option compounds during a race could see teams needing a three-stop strategy just for tire wear. Vettel told Servus: The problem is the tyres wear down too fast, Vettel told ServusTV. They are only good for 16 or 17 laps, then they start to break up and are ruined, then the driver doesnt have a chance. The feeling when driving is different and that is a pity for us. Don't let me continue with posting all the whining by drivers, it would take all the storage space on the Fchat servers....
That is not comparable at ALL to disparaging your own team as RB has done on numerous occasions. I would hope you are smarter than that.
The tensions within the team surfaced again at the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix. During the final qualifying session for the race Hamilton was delayed in the pits by Alonso and thus unable to set a final lap time before the end of the session. McLaren pointed out that Hamilton had disobeyed an earlier instruction to let Alonso pass in qualifying, for fear of losing his own position. Alonso was relegated to sixth place on the starting grid, thus elevating Hamilton (who had originally qualified second) to first, while McLaren were docked constructors championship points. --Hamilton said he thought Alonso's penalty was "quite light if anything" and only regretted the loss of constructors' points. -- Hamilton was reported to have sworn at Dennis on the team radio following the incident. British motorsport journal Autosport claimed that this "[led] Dennis to throw his headphones on the pit wall in disgust (a gesture that was misinterpreted by many to be in reaction to Alonso's pole)".
Patrick Head said that Mansell, "always thought someone was trying to shaft him"... Frank Williams said he was a "Pain in the arse"...The media also tired of Mansell's chronic complaining... - Official F1 Website
Hamilton rebukes his team after finishing eighth, saying they sent him out with the wrong tyres and strategy. His mood is not helped by a 20-second post-race penalty. -Telegraph UK
After suffering problems in qualifying, Hamilton was given two drive-through penalties while finishing sixth. The Briton then jokes he is targeted by stewards due to his race. What they said: Its a frickin joke .. Maybe its because Im black? - Lewis Hamilton
Button and Hamilton criticise the McLaren as Red Bull storm to another win. Hamilton says the team needs to take more risks and says he cannot catch Sebastian Vettel.
Heikki Kovalainen 14th: Our car doesnt have enough grip for us to attack the fast corners. The others seem to gain grip through the weekend and are able to better use the Option tyre while were using the Prime and losing performance."
There's plenty more; Jarno & his power steering issues come to mind. They *all* ***** & moan about the tires at different times. They all B&M about traffic..... They've all always got the excuses lined up - It's just a question of how they pitch those excuses. Rubens is one of my favorite guys, but coming out and saying "I don't want to be a test driver" was wrong - The team's working their butts off trying to improve - Shut up and try and help the process! Cheers, Ian EDIT; I've said this before - Mansell always was a wanker! [He *was* quick, but I've never met anyone who whined like him - And I raced against him in F3 [I was a spanner man, not the jockey btw!]
Exactly my point, Rubens is one of the biggest whiners in F1 history and has come out and disparaged his team on many occasions. The fact that you have to dig up crap from 2007 and even from the era of Nigel Mansell (lol) speaks volumes. Your main examples of "all the drivers whining" are none other than LH and Mansell. Not exactly helping your argument considering that they are known by and large as huge whiners. If you want to go to the past we can pull up another of Boobino's classics: "In Germany, Barrichello took the lead at the first corner but after his first stop, he came out behind Felipe Massa who held him up. A fuel rig problem during his second stop meant that he finished the race in sixth, a place behind team mate Jenson Button. After the race he publicly blamed Brawn GP saying "It was a good show from the team in how to lose a race" and "They made me lose the race".[12] Team principal Ross Brawn said of the incident "He had the 11th fastest time of the race. You can't win a race with that speed. I remember laughing my ass off at the time reading that, Ross shut him down so bad.
I remember that race too, and was freaking blown away that FERRARI didn't know how to refuel a ****!ing Formula 1 car. What a sorry ass comment by Ross, considering if he could get his team to refuel a car it would have helped his team in the constructors as well and he knows if he could have refueled RB's car he minimally would have been on the podium. By the by, he then chose Rubens to drive for his team over many other drivers so apparently the pompous ass thought Rubens' driving skills outweighed his "whining" as you call it. I will be glad to add comments of drivers ripping on their teams and cars from now on. Apparently you are not listening to drivers. All they do is ***** and moan all the time, about everything. Rubens' comment on not wanting to be a test driver is because he knows he doesn't have much time left and he doesn't want to be used to test parts (because the team knows the current car sucks arse so they started testing crazy parts about six races ago to try anything because they know the car is a bloody sled) for the next driver...would you?
You have zero clue what you're talking about. The quote I posted was from the Nurburgring 2009 when he was driving for Brawn. That "pompous ass" brought Ferrari back from the brink. Think before posting such drivel and absurd conspiracy theories. Well what does Rubens, considering his infinite knowledge in aerodynamics and engineering, suggest that they do then? Maybe he can go in and design whatever parts he wants for the car during off days.
1) Pardon me, same guy, next team...but it happen to him at Ferrari too - smart ass. 2) Ross also personally hired Rubens back again when he started his own team - so again, he obviously didn't think he whined too much - perhaps you need to consider why in the hell Ross would do that if he was such a whiner when he could have put anyone he wanted in the seat - no chance it could be he thought Rubens could help him develop the car better than other drivers... 3) He actually is known to have significantly helped develop cars for idiots like Jackie Stewart...who also kept him as a driver throughout the lifespan of his team - or is that going back too far for you again, or don't you have any respect for Jackie's opinions either? Finally, why the personal attacks? I just don't get the vendetta with Rubens - your perspective that he is a whiner has apparently not been held by Ross Brawn, Jackie Stewart, Eddie Jordan, and Frank Williams. You'll have to forgive me if I take thier actions (of not only hiring him multiple times but keeping him for long periods) and opinions of Rubens over yours. LOL.
Whoa! - Hang on a minute! Not my examples..... Mine was Jarno and "in general". I think MB was being a little tongue-in-cheek posting a whole page load of (mostly!) recent quotes - And as you say, it's remarkably easy to get lots of modern ones from LH...... Mansell did however take whining to a whole new level, so always deserves an "honorable mention". Rubens isn't in the same league! [I've told the story of the engine swaps in F3, right?] Cheers, Ian
1.) What "happened to him?" At Brawn in 2009 he was too slow to win the race. Everything is some conspiracy to derail Rubens to you. 2.) Actually Honda had already hired Boobens when Ross Brawn came onboard. When Brawn was formed he wasn't exactly excited to have Barrichello and almost gave his seat to Bruno Senna. Ouch. 3.) You're asking if I remember 1997-99, you can't even remember 2009. You're the one with the man crush on the guy making it out like I have some kind of vendetta. All I said was that he is a big whiner and it's getting old (true). Your entire post makes no sense considering that people would love to have LH drive for them and loved having Mansell or Prost drive for them in the past. It doesn't change the fact that they were huuuge whiners. Driving for good teams does not mean an exemption from whining.
1980, British F3 championship. [Only reason I remember the year is were running a new March 803 for EJ.] Mansell, for reasons never really clear had the *works* March ride that season and we pitted next door in order to "compare notes". Back then, the official times after practice were printed by race control & distributed down the pit lane once the session was over. At the end of P1; "So, Nige', how was the car?" "Dunno - I need to see the times first." (!) . Timesheets get delivered, and he's not in the top ~6. . "I think the engines down on power." . His boys change it for P2. . "How's the new engine Nige?" "Dunno - I need to see the times first". . Still not in the top 6. . "You know what, I think the first motor was stronger - Please put it back for the race". . Swap the motors back again!..... A driver should pretty much instantly know if an engine's down on power. But I watched (even helped his guys a few times) 'em do more engine swaps that season than I've ever seen - He could never admit it was him/the car that sucked!...... [And the 803 did indeed suck!] Cheers, Ian
