Can the Aventador replace the murci??

the exhaust note is easy to modify ....

I bet the Murcielago you heard had been modified already whereas the Aventador must be stock and that explains it's tame smooth sound ...


as for the styling ... I guess the Murcielago will look dated soon specially it's side profile
without any air intake vents

 

It's a good point and glad you brought it up.

I really don't know, the Aventador is pretty amazing...

But one thing about the Murcie is it has a genuine V-12 sound, and there's nothing that can replace that. It's one of the great thrills about the car.

Also, though I haven't spent any time in an Aventador, the Murcie always struck me as somewhat luxurious as well.

I think you make a valid point.

Still, the Aventador is definitely a HUGE step foward in a number of ways. (maybe too far forward?)

Fred

 

This is not correct. With the new 700 cars, they are under the new STRICT CAFE rules..as of NOW, there is NO aftermarket exhuast, and it may be a while or not at all.

Part of the CAFE rules "Required" the secondary "cats" in-corperated with the muffler enclouser, they no longer are seperate, put act as a whole one piece unit with the exhaust "restrictive" sound control muffler system. They are further completely tied into the ECU and the engine managment system. They are even furthered "guarded" from removal by the management system, with them out they will immediately cause a fault and a non running motor.

I am sure there will be a way and some one that will come up with it, but then again maybe not due to the cost it will take and the research...one thing for sure, it wont be cheap..and I am sure it will have issues at strict emission control sites at registration time in most States.

 

Dear Lamborghinisti,

Gawd...the car looks like a big Gallardo. From the G style mirrors to the G tail lights....geez...

But I do like the TESTAROSSA air intakes....


Shamile

Freeze...Miami Vice !

 

murcielago looks better imo. always thought so. if lamborghini had just made the damn thing lighter it'd be perfect.

diablo is still the best looking lambo ever though (exterior-wise)

 

i think it looks good, but the doors are a huge let down even if it wasn't
Lamborghinis fault that they had to make them open out somewhat. Worse than
that, a Lamborghini mechanic from a very well known garage told me that the Murci engine
and Avent engine are junk because they can't be rebuilt, or at least not "practically". I wish
I would have asked about his remarks but I had to get going.

 

It sounds like somebody farting IMO the engineering on the sound needs a lot of help. The car looks great in person and unlike many cars it looks good from many angles, they just need to fix that sound.
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aventador compare to a white Diablo GT? i still love the Diablo i think.

 

I'm not too sure if the Aventador is more aesthetically pleasing than the murcielago since it does look a bit timid to its massive predecessor but in terms of performance, it blows the Murc out of the park.

You know, regarding the sound, I do agree that the aventador is a bit off but once the pedal is down, the sound actually has a deep and very powerful bellow.

Just skip to the end for the accelerations
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Welcome to the era of disposable exotics...

 

ehhh it's OK, the little car pulling out at the end made just as much noise. For the name Lamborghini and that type of money you should get the whole package sound, looks, speed, handling.

When Jay Leno revved it sitting still on stage you could hear the crown whispering disappointments. He had the attention of everyone, and what should have happened was screams of joy and excitement, guys trying to figure out how to sell what they have to get one. That didn't happen. Instead were seeing how governments suck the excitement out of what was one of the most exciting cars on the road.

 

I'm hoping a lamb mechanic will chime in on this as It's a very interesting thought. I wonder if its simply due to cost? I have seen some pretty extensive engine repairs made before.

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I love the Aventador looks, the Murci is just to plain (in my books) the Aventador has sexier lines with a more aggressive look, they nailed it. Lambo is about extreme looks period, the Murci was nice but not thrilling. It sort of reminds me of how Ferrari finally regained style back with the 458 over the 430.

Engine note sucks I will admit, but rest assure even as we speak there are soon to be after market exhaust to make this sleek beast scream.

 

I think it might be the same as the Nissan GTR...they also had claims that the car would be completely unable to be modified as the ECU prevented it. Less than a month after the release of the car several tuners had 'cracked' the ECU.

Same will happen with the Aventador...it'll really be a case of swapping the exhaust over (if it's a full system it won't be cheap though...I'd say at least 10K USD for the whole thing ), plug a laptop in the ECU, unblock the exhaust setting and off you go.

I'm 99% sure that your warranty will be void though. So unless Lamborghini will make a 'proper' sports exhaust option (unlikely for the US market though)...we won't be seeing to many of these until the end of the warranty period.

 

Well said and I can see a sound check down the road too.

 

I wrote what is below in response to the same question in another forum so I will post it here as well...

I think we can argue all day about whether the Murci or the Aventador is better in its styling. As a current Murci owner, I feel comparing the two cars are like comparing a Model T to a Taurus! They are not in the same league in design and execution! The Murci has an archaic tubular steel frame chassis structure with an engine that is 40 years + old, albeit refined several times. While the Aventador has a state of the art carbon fiber chassis with a brand new engine and a brand new transmission! Again, the cars are not comparable!

We have the CAFE standards and ever increasing emission/fuel consumption/noise standards by regulators to thank for the muffled sound of the Aventaor. Believe me that OEM exhaust is toast in 24 months when all the companies like Tubi, Larini, Bartoli etc etc. figure out they can make a boat load of money by cheating the ECU and unleashing the true sound of that 700 BHP engine!

The Aventador in my opinion is a stunning design both in engineering terms and in styling whereby the design will grow on people. It is a worthy replacement to the Murci which I love still! The increased useability of the car (closer in useability to a 458) will turn off some people but I find it more attractive because it will make the Aventador easier to drive faster.

 

Interesting how time affects people's perception when a new model it's introduced ...


I recall when the Murcielago was brand new 10 years ago
everyone complained about the german styling by Audi
and said the Diablo was the true last Lambo ...

Back in 1990 when the Countach replacement debuted ,
they said it was a POS and should be called Chrysler Diablo ...


the same when the 25th Anniersario was showed


and so on ... you get the picture

 

My exact same thoughts.

A side note, the fact that you are hearing so many "complaints" about the exhaust note I believe will be a driver for one of the major mfgs to put an exhaust out even faster. Youve got people buying $400,000 cars chomping at the bit just to make their car louder. If you're the first out and it soudns decent you have a cash cow on your hands.....its all just a matter of time.

 

The last TRUE Lambo was the 400GT. Don't get me started...

;^D

Fred

 

I think I will stick my head in the lion's mouth... It is hard to argue that any Lambo designed under the guidance and ownership of Ferrucio Lamborghini could be called anything but a true Lambo! So the original Countach shown at the 1971 Geneva Motor Show was the LAST TRUE LAMBO!

[I am now ducking my head]

 

I drove one at Pebble. I thought it was very well built and the interior was nice. Instruments were easy to see and visibility was good. Exhaust was too quiet. Brakes good steering feel ok not great. Gearbox nice and full throttle shifts very quick and push your head back. Over all feel good but IMO lacking a touch of raw feel even in corsa.

Could be a daily driver. One rattle which I'm sure they'll fix. Build quality high and serviceability very good. Overall construction quality very good.

The one thing I do wonder is wether or not all of these cars have become too expensive.
440K is a lot especially for a car that will depreciate quickly. BTW I think new Ferrari pricing is too high as well especially the FF.

 

Seems like with cars, we are now getting less for more??

 

For me, I say yes. This is the most exciting Lambo for me since the Countach (yes, I was a kid then but this car is that exciting). This car looks like what every school kid draws on his notebook thinking what a super car should look like.

It's the aggressive look, which subtly reflects the Countach without stealing from it, and the performance and technology.

I think they've hit a home run in the way that Ferrari did with the 360.

Please DON'T buy one in black! The design details of this car deserve to be seen.

I do agree with Napolis about the depreciation issue. That is a problem with Lambo's of late.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this. I don't care about the purchase price by itself, but I do care about losing something like €150k ($200k) in 2-3 years. Given the depreciation its starting to become a really expensive hobby owning V12's from either camp.

My last 599 cost me ~€150k in less than 2 years...