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Discussion in 'Drink, Smoke, and Fine Dining' started by Noel, Aug 29, 2011.

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  1. Noel

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    Anyone here into fine wine? I'm especially interested in Bordeaux and Barolo.

    Where do you buy?

    Any recommendations?

    I'll go first...2005 Chateau Dauzac. I have not found a better Bordeaux for the money.
     
  2. spirot

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    I dabble in fine wine.

    For Bordeaux 82 and 90, 2000 are great years. 82 Paulliac and Margaux are especially good wines, prices are astronomical.... I do collect Sauterns, especially Y'quem and Lafaurie-Peyraguey.

    I've really moved into Burgandies: Chambertin clos de Bez and Richebourgs

    I have not done much in vintage Barolo.
     
  3. Red Head Seeker

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    What are your price points?...with the latest pre-release price of Petrus being $3,000.00 a bottle, things are getting out of hand....as far as places to purchase....K&L Wines is hard to beat, they also have an auction site
    http://www.klwines.com/ ......Mark
     
  4. Noel

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    I don't really have one price point, I have $10 wine and I have $1000 wine, but in general I'd say $50 +/-


    Top name Bordeaux are for investing, not something I'm ever going to drink with a meal...so the Petrus and Lafitie are not for me.
     
  5. italiafan

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    any other varietals you are interested in?

    california cabs?
     
  6. spirot

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    If you are buying to collect - buy Grand Cru... if you are buying to drink, then buy 3-4th growths. If you can do a tasting of the Grand Cru stuff - like Laffite, Margaux etc... then all youhave to do is look at the 3rd & 4th growths from the same areas. find the style and you can generally find a cheaper good drinking wine from the same area.
     
  7. Noel

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    yes, of course. Some of the big stag's leap district cabs are great, as are alexander valley (lancaster and silver oak).
     
  8. robert_c

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    I buy from Hi-Time Cellars in Costa Mesa. Great Bordeaux sellection.

    My daily driver is Mouton Cadet. It is Rothschilds Bordeaux from the grapes that didn't make the cut for Chateau Mouton Rothschild. It's under ten bucks. Can't be beat for the value.
     
  9. F456 V12

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    For high end Italian, I am partial to :

    Gaja "Spears" Barolo,

    MB
     
  10. italiafan

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    i love caymus, both their regular cab and the select.
    also love shafer 1.5 and hillside.

    when it comes to reds i don't think the french have anything on these cabs. now, chardonnay, that is different...there the french rule.
     
  11. theobordeaux

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    #11 theobordeaux, Aug 31, 2011
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    A little explanation for the wines of Bordeaux. If the most expensive are the best, there are lesser-known wines, but collecting praise from connoisseurs (not to mention Parker etc ...)
    I'll giver a small selection of wines whose price is not insignificant, but which will allow you to enjoy the most delicate tastes.
    Chateau Poujeaux, Moulis en Médoc, 2005 found almost, 2002, 2003 and 2006, very good. Then it's the unknown. The Theil family sold the castle in 2008. I am convinced that the current owner who has paid the Castle at around $ 100 millon will make a wine as good. A bottle of 75 cl is 30 to $ 40.
    Then, still in Moulis, Château Chasse-Spleen, a delight, a treat, provided it is pre 2005. Otherwise it is a good pacifier. Also 30 to $ 40.
    Then, in the Region Pessac-Leognan, there is a white wine made by nuns called the Domaine de la Solitude, end, a flinty taste like all wines from this region. A delight for connoisseurs. Production confidential but I can give you details in PM. They ship for export. $ 18 a bottle to delight your friends.
    This is just one small example.
    We here at Bordeaux wines famous but very expensive. One of my friends, co-owner of Château Palmer in Margaux, has come dine with me recently and offered me a bottle of his field. I opened it, of course. It was delicious. The next day out of curiosity I type on G. Château Palmer. Rule and look at the price. I knew it was expensive, good but expensive. $ 300 bottle of $ 75. It is a good friend. When I spoke to him again it is said, "Castle Poujeaux, you make us taste was better."
    For the record, Poujeaux Castle was the favorite wine of one of our Country President Georges Pompidou.

    All this to say that in the multitude of wines from Bordeaux or the other, there are the expensive and cheaper and it's not the price made quality. But the price is also a reference.

    Hello Spirot, how are you. mines betters bottles are for you, I wait you!!!!
     
  12. Noel

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    Chateau Poujeaux, Moulis en Médoc (89) and Palmer are sitting in my cellar now, I plan to drink a bottle of 67 Palmer tonight!

    Any more tips in the $50 range?
     
  13. b-mak

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    I more than dabble.

    I'm married to a sommelier.

    Hit me up with any questions, I'll get the pro to answer.
     
  14. Noel

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    perfect! why is 1970-80 chateau montrose under $100 and anything 2000 and newer WAY more expensive?
     
  15. Noel

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    same with Chateau Palmer, please.
     
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    #16 Noel, Aug 31, 2011
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  17. joba

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    I live in NY. I have some vintage 1959 - 1966 Chateau Lafite , Latour and Petrus. I would like to sell them . If you can direct me to someone who would be interested in selling them It would be greatly appreciated.
     
  18. theobordeaux

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    #18 theobordeaux, Sep 1, 2011
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    Because 2000 is one year legendary high quality. in 1982, great years as the wines are very stable. This is mainly due to a new fermentation technique since the 80's called malolactic fermentation which helped regulate temperature and growth of yeasts and bacteria needed for proper wine storage.

    I can talk about this technique because it is the firm that I run "High Tecnology Exchange" based in Bordeaux and in LA who did the study of the economic impact of this new technique (at the time)

    However, for large castle, fermentation in stainless steel vats followed by maturation in oak barrels.

    Château PALMER 2006 is 300$ the bootle of 75 cl.
     
  19. any_1

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    what about the Big Chateaux second wines. like Pavillion Rouge du Margeaux?
     
  20. theobordeaux

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    #20 theobordeaux, Sep 11, 2011
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    Pavillon Rouge du Château Margaux
    The first of the middle

    Le Pavillon Rouge, the second wine of Château Margaux was clear from the nineteenth century and took its final name, Pavillon Rouge du Chateau Margaux in 1908. After an eclipse between the 30s and the mid-70, production has resumed with the arrival of Andre Mentzelopoulos in control of the property in 1977 and has grown steadily to improve the quality of the first wine . In recent years, the selection of a third wine is in turn enhance the quality of Pavillon Rouge. Each year, the quality of Pavillon Rouge is obviously related to that of the first wine. It also carries the same traditional techniques of winemaking and barrel aging, but it is often bottled three or four months earlier than Chateau Margaux, because its finer structure does not require an extended breeding also. Le Pavillon Rouge has the advantage to move faster in bottles and therefore be good to drink faster, while keeping in great vintages, excellent aging potential.

    Le Pavillon Rouge is enough to make pale the first number wine.

    But the price is also at the rendez-vous, 350$ the boottle of 75cl.

    There are many second wines of Château other less prestigious but equally good, I'd make a list this coming week.

    Sorry Spirot I responded to you I know you very well know wines and French cuisine and other countries.
     
  21. spirot

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    Merci, J'adore les vins de Bourgone et aussi Bordeaux... pour moi, les Francais faire le plus bon vin du monde. Et aussi le cuisine... Francais est superior de tous.
     
  22. spirot

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    I dont know that wine well. however if its Margaux, I would be looking for a cedery wine, with currants and cherry.... 2nd growths can still be expensive.... so for me the money is better spent on first growths.
     
  23. 360stimo

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    Nothing better. I have quite a lot of;

    1982 chateau Rausan Segla Margaux
    1982 Chateau Gloria St Julien

    The Margaux i'm getting nervous about so going to sell the lot.
     
  24. theobordeaux

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    #24 theobordeaux, Sep 19, 2011
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  25. theobordeaux

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    Everything is good to buy. The only constraint is that the wine must be in unopened box, 6 or 12. I bought the cellar of a Bordeaux notary that a few years (really a few years ...). At Mouton Rothschild was told in a very pretentious, "We only buy unopened boxes closed." I did what?
    I gathered some friends and we drank experts, in addition to the Sheep, other prestigious wines, three-quarters were not drinkable. But hey, I'm pleased to please my friends. Unmarketable wines are of no interest except the pleasure of sharing. And everyone was happy.
    The wine we drank came from a cellar of an unhappy lawyer who committed suicide. Each sip of wine, in fact, I thought of him.
    I'm glad not to be sold. I drank it as he would drink.
     

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