Correct. My mistake. Rather heavy looking car IMO. In those times Vignale definitely had the upper hand. Isn't for example 0179EL stunning! Pete
the question remains the same ... I'm aware Ingegnere Giotto Bizarrini designed GTO engine but did he also penned, designed and made it's body ? was it made by Pinin Farina or what it was like in those days ? Engine and Body made in Maranello or what If so what was Pinin Farina necessary for in those days ?
The GTO wasn't designed in the way you are thinking. It more happened as a necessary covering of the mechanicals and cockpit. Scaglietti did the hammering (I believe). The Series 2 GTO was designed by Pininfarina but built by Scag. Pininfarina design all the street cars and almost all the race cars. They also built many of the production car bodies supplying them complete to the factory for the production line. Some have at times argued that the build quality of the Pf assemblies was better than the Scaglietti. Even at the same time some models were exclusive Pf built bodies while other models were exclusive Scaglietti bodies. A major portion of the early relationship between Ferrari and Pf was that Pf had the production capacity to build the finished bodies in quantities that others were not. I would argue that Scaglietti designing bodies were mostly aberations in the scheme of things. They did only a couple on their own. Jeff
Bizarrini definitely did not design the engine, gearbox or differential. The engine is pretty much the same as in the Testa Rossa, other than maybe dry sump (not sure if the TR is dry sumped or not). Bizarrini moved the engine back and designed the shape based on wind tunnel work. Pinin Farina or Scagletti were not involved with the design. Road cars, and the 250LM. Well they were a "couple" of good ones, ie: The 250 TDF, the 335 S Spyder Scaglietti which morthed into the 'pontoon fendered' 250 TR and 250 SWB California ... I would thus say Scaglietti was responsible for more race cars than Pinin Farina and IMO Scagletti designs are superior (more beautiful/exciting) to Pinin Farina with a couple of important exceptions, the 250 GT SWB and the 250 LM (my person favourite). Pete
You guys need help. Bizarrini did the GTO's chassis, Scaglietti did the Series I body. Scaglietti began doing racing cars from his body repair shop in 1954-55. Mr. Ferrari saw his work at the recommendation of his son Dino. The list of racing Ferraris is staggering from the 500 Mondial, 315/335S to the pontoon fendered TRs. It's not for nothing that Ferrari named a car for him ironically designed be Pinnfarina, the 612 Scaglietti. The engine was basically the Colombo dry sump TR. You need to get your hands on Jess Pourret's book and all your questions will be answered. There's more but I'm still asleep. CQ
Chuck is right. Most everything you are discussing and more is covered in Pourret, Prunet and the book on Gilco
I read Bizzarrini was hired by Ferruccio to create the 1st Lambo ENGINE since the GTO reputation but then he dismissed Giotto's engine because it needed high RPM to create power .... and Ferruccio wasn't interested in racing ... anyway ; Would someone please post pics of the last GTO ever made with it's original livery # 170 Thanks in advance
I remember that during the presentation of the 612 Scaglietti a guy from Ferrari explained that the name was a tribute to the famous driver.
The sad part is that it may very well be true that "a guy from Ferrari" said it was a tribute to the famous driver......collective historical knowledge at the factory being what it is....you mean they used ALUMINUM for the bodywork? Wow, fascinating!
Pete, Scaglietti did not design the 250TdF. Here is 0425GT, designed and built by PF. I know Pourret says it is a Scaglietti, but in this rare case he is wrong. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ed, Thanks, learnt something. Interesting also that Barchetta refers to the model as: 250 GT Berlinetta Scaglietti "TdF". Chuck Queener, Thanks, this is the first time I've heard that a proper designer was involved with the GTO series 1 body. Doesn't surprise me. Books I've read though discuss Bizzarrini in regards to the low nose and so on ... I guess as often in the real world there was a team effort. Otherwise I think we agree Scaglietti did some of the most impressive Ferraris. Pete
Question to the experts : how many 166 were built ? how many Barchettas ? and Berlinetta ? also where they all bodied by Carrozeria Touring ? or some by other coachworkers ?
Try this link; http://www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/by-serial-number/ferrari-by-serial-number/model-index/model-summary/166-mm-index/index.html http://www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/by-serial-number/ferrari-by-serial-number/model-index/model-summary/166-inter-index/index.html
Thank you I love the 166 Berlinetta looks ia that what they call Uovo ? (egg) last question : what does INTER mean ?
not exactly an old photo, but can someone tell me what car is the one with the shark nose? Image Unavailable, Please Login
#150 resembles a bit a 268 SP Spider Fantuzzi which had been entered for the 1962 Targa Florio but DNS. Marcel Massini
