The official replica/re-creation thread

Looks cool but I can't imagine paying almost $400K for a reproduction. Why not buy the best $400K vintage Ferrari you can...more likely to appreciate or at least retain value IMHO.

 

Not having the correct 5 speed transmission would be a big downer to me.

These cars really appeal to me. But only if they are 100% accurate. I would love to have a 250GTO facsimile to flog around the track without the expense or worry of the real thing, but would have to be EXACTLY right.

But honestly if I was going to go the replica route, I would prefer a 335S or a 410S replica with a Daytona engine.

I would only be interested if I already had a real Daytona in the garage.... which I don't.




Terry

 

Coming in the next couple of weeks in Octane magazine, issue 99, an article on a new Ferrari Sharknose recreation that they say is "even better than Chris Rea's".

 

I would like to know how much would someone have to spend to rebuild a gte solid engine to gto specs, with the dry sump, big valves, carbs...
I apololise in advance for my lack of knowledge in this field.
Could I do a good engine for around 100000 dollars? Could you tell me what can I get for that kind of money in europe?
Thanks in advance

 

What would one of the Houghton or Graypaul built 1960-type 246 replicas be worth? Anyone know what HallandHall were asking for the one that sold?

 

I looked at that car and drove it in July I guess. Dunno if it's still on the market... I thought the pics looked much nicer than the original - interior was made of plastic that looked like leather, fiberglass didn't look too nice and paint was not really good.

Fun to drive, all a matter of price tag and asking was EUR 45k+ for some kilos of fiberglass, too much IMO but maybe someone else has fun with it now.

 

Please don't do it ... .

But your engine ...
Pete

 

You may have heard in 2008 I built a tool room copy of a Mercedes Gullwing from scratch using either NOS parts and fabricated to exact spec components. I had nearly $500,000 in it not including any labor. It did sell for more than I had in it but just barely. More of an exersize; fun... But still an exersize. The green with red leather car is real...
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Mark,

Amazing work. Have you worked on any vintage Ferrari's?

 

Obviously you're not familiar with quality recreations. Some are made original down to the very last bolt!

 

wow.....really superb Mark, amazing workmanship!!

 

No, I get it. I'd love to drive a 250GTO everyday but a recreation would feel odd...philosophically. I'm just saying I'd get a driver F40 or 330 or something within that budget that's all.

 

a recreation "made original"? an oxymoron if there ever was one.

a recreation that requires the butchering of a real Ferrari is an abomination.

 

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I agree about the notion of "quality replicas". Take this one, for instance, if it weren't for that subtle (and very common with replicas) "A" pillar inaccuracy, how could you tell this one form a real car?
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Obviously there is no way to argue with you.

If a 'real' Ferrari' is beyond restoration but it's engine and drive train can be used, in your mind it's not reasonable to re-body it. Just throw the good stuff in the junk yard!

How many recreations have you seen? Many experts can't tell if some of them are the real thing or not.

A recreation is not the same thing as a replica. Many people I know have recreations that cost 6 figures to make!

 

agreed, re-bodies will ultimately consist of such a same percentage, it's really not worth the fuss of arguing over IMO
i also agree that a prefectly good car souldnt be sacrificed for such

 

Give us one serial number of a fake Ferrari built to a standard you believe will fool an expert - and see your claim crash and burn. I would think it will take 15 minutes on this forum.

 

I am sure the engine and drive train could be used to keep another running, or put in another that has had it's engine canibalized or thrown away in the past.
If someone is going to spend money to "recreate", why not recreate the car the drive train came from. Oh, yeah, it's not as cool as the other. I'm sorry, I just can't get my head around the Ferrari recreations.

George

 

In the past 10 years, I don't know that I've seen a vintage Ferrari that is "beyond restoration." The much more prevalent scenario I'm sure you're aware of is that very, very restorable vintage 2+2s, and even 212 coupes are being gutted for their motors/drivetrain. Take a look on the Alfa BB to see what rusted, bent, swiss-cheese Giulietta Spiders that will never be 6-figure cars are considered viable restoration candidates and are being lovingly returned to their former glory. The fact is, very viable Ferrari 2+2 cars have become nothing more than carrying cases for the motors/drivetrains for the replica/recreation crowd and the high-end vintage racers.

I have seen plenty - too many - expensive replicas, and the one thing that seems to consistently accompany them is the owners' general propensity to shade/qualify the truth of what the car really is.

OK, I'll bite; what is the difference between a "replica" and a "recreation," other than a semantic game played to try make the owner feel better about having spent six-figures for a car that purports to be something that it is not?

I actually have less of a problem w/ the beauty that John V posted above (BTW, John, the A pillar problem could be solved with a LOT more horsey stickers). Is it in bad taste? Absolutely. Have any of the dwindling number of vintage Ferrari 2+2s been butchered to make it? Absolutely not.

You are correct, Darrolls, there is no point in arguing this w/ someone like me who, as a Ferrari enthusiast, will never understand how someone who is also allegedly a Ferrari enthusiast has no problem cutting up the real thing. I just don't get it.

My understanding when this thread was created and allowed to remain in the Vintage forum, was that it would remain here for the purpose of tracking the s/ns of the deceased vintage Ferraris; it appears to me that it has trended into a place generally extolling the virtue of the fake, and that bothers me.

rant over

 

There are so many things incorrect with that replica I don't know where to start!

 

Really? How about doing it alphabetic order?

 

It's clearly a Datsun based replica with wrong wheels, hood, air intakes on the nose, interior all wrong, rear fenders wrong, wrong wind screen, door handles, side windows, full filler in the wrong place and basically the whole body shape is wrong.

Please search a picture of a real GTO and hold it next to the one you posted. If you don't see it then, I'm at a loss.

p.s. I'm not arguing with you. There are good replicas out there but they almost always have some tell tale signs of being a replica. I've seen about 70% of the real GTOs and seen many replicas based on Ferrari underpinnings. This Datsun based replica isn't even close to those replicas so it as a poor choice to post this picture as an example.

Best, Peter

 

To get this thread back on track I'll post a few pictures of 250 GTO replicas (based on Ferrari chassis and drive trains) that I've seen over the years.

Best, Peter
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Come on, it looks like a Datsun, it is a Datsun. It has a rear hatch that is a give away, but just the general shape is a Datsun and not a 250GTO. All babies look alike but the mother knows which is hers. I myself am raping a ´80 308GTSi to make it look like a 288GTO, I won´t ever put GTO badges on it because I would feel like a clown, but I extended the wheelbase, it is full GTO width and many of the GTO features are correct, but I looked at so many 288 GTO pictures, when I see my project it doesn´t even look like a GTO, even if the details are correct, it looks like a modified 308, and that´s what it is. It´s like 2 sisters, they can look similar but one is pretty and the other not. Now my modded 308 will look pretty in the end, and similar to a GTO but not like a GTO. You´re not fooling anyone. I like the Datsun GTO´s and would love to own one, but pretending it is a Ferrari GTO is silly. I even went to see one in my country, but it was sold when I got there. I would own a Datsun z GTO and simply put the DATSUN script on the back and have fun, of course that is because I don't look old enough and sophisticated enough to have a real GTO.