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Pantera Appreciation thread

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  1. DenisC

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    Actually, the ZF's alignment is the same in the GT40 and the Goose. the tail section was rotated in the Pantera. :)

    GT40's trans are refered to as Dash 0
    Mangusta are Dash 1
    Early Pantera Dash 1.5
    then became Dash 2

    Dash 2 BTW are much stronger than their predecessors, so many GT40 owners have benched their Dash 0 and purchased modified Dash 2 for their cars. Lloyd is the king of ZF 5DS25 transmissions, should you require assistance he is the man. Honest, fair and quick service from my dealings with him.

    http://www.rbttrans.com/
     
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  2. hyenahf

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    im not sure what u mean by alignment. gt40 + goose have a bottom input shaft below the diff which enables lowering the motor. the ZF on the BMW M1, Bora, 037 and pantera have the input on top of the layshaft raising the motor. although the pantera raised the CG of the motor ask the goose guys with the cracked bellhousing if the inversion was worth it!

    cheers

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  3. DenisC

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    It is not just the shifter, but the whole transmission assembly that is turned over. Bell housings are totally different: One made for a small block and the other for a big block. So yes the external shifter box does move from the lower left side to the upper right side of the transmission. Here is a pic of the two side by side.
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  4. hyenahf

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    lol... i think you barking up the wrong tree. not to say your wrong but who said anything about the shifter? if you are inverting the input shaft of course its turned over. its needless to say it has a different bellhousing. whether is a small block, big block, bimmer inline6, rounded maser v8 or supercharged inline 4..(aim i missing anything?).

    the whole point of this was my beef of the PH article was that they claim they went from a M1 type ZF to a pantera for a lower mounted motor. they both have there input shaft on top of the layshaft witch means a higher CG motor over the goose and gt40 which are inverted. i say inverted because the it was the more uncommon orientation back then for road cars without dry sumps.
     
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  5. Pantera GT5S

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    What is STOCK on a GT5 or GT-5S? During the non-Ford years, an owner could have them built in whatever flavor they wanted.. with vents or without vents.
     
    Pantera GT5S, Sep 9, 2011
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  6. DenisC

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    Had a few buddies in town labour day weekend. We did a 'tech session' and rebuild 4 steering rack, instaled a bump steer correction shim kit, instaled a set of headers, tumed a few cars and reworked some electical issues. How would you like to walk in to this garage?
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  7. PaulVincent

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    Nice!
     
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  8. normv

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    Hello and beautiful cars, now just dont go over the speed limit with your buddies in a group as Canada may seize all your cars now. Just kidding, still scary though.
     
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  9. azfast1

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  10. Mang

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    Awesome looking group of cars there! Mazda Cosmo = kewl! Tell us more about your pre L!

    Denis....your goose 'trumps' all the other DeT cars and even that red beast upper left! :). (disclaimer*); unless that is a real GT40, then I have to yield :D
     
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  11. DenisC

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    The main host owns a few cars, the GT40 is a GTD40 #09988, very well done, does not look or sound like a kit at all, he also owns a 71 DeTomaso Pantera and Mangusta (not shown)

    azfast, nice set-up , now you need a few tools, a refreshment fridge and some decor. :) tell us about the Cosmo!
     
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  12. azfast1

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    The Pre L is a very original 72, just bought from the previous 36 year owner, unrestored, never in the rain, no rust, 27k miles. The L10A Cosmo is restored, will be shown at the Palos Verdes Concours D'Elegance next Sunday the 18th. The unrestored L10B and the Toyota 2000 GT belong to a friend who is storing them here.
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    Wow, thats a crazy picture Denis. Just found this thread now!

    Subscribed!:)
     
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    Beautiful car you have there , though could you tell me a little bit more on that GT40 in the background ? :D
     
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    I love these cars :)
     
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  17. sltillim

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    I'd be interested in hearing about some of the driving characteristics of the pantera, both original and modified. Any good impressions or stories out there?
     
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  18. Pantera1889

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    Thanks! The GT40 was from Race Car Replicas (RCR) in Detroit. It had an aluminum monocoque chassis and a 8500rpm dry-sump SVO engine. It was a blast to drive at 670hp/2380#.

    I am currently building a Gp4 Pantera ,for a friend/customer,with simillar specs (732hp/ 2800# +/-) That car will be
    fun as well!

    Ron
     
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    Quick question on the large rear fan that resides over/behind the transmission. Is this fan designed to pull hot air from the engine compartment or cool something else. I noticed the car has a standard radiator and fan setup under the front hood. Interested if adding a similar fan in a 308 would help cooling or this is unqiue to the Pantera.
     
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  20. rdefabri

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    Love the 2000GT - anymore pics?
     
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  21. kverges

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    Rear fan is for A/C condenser
     
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  22. DenisC

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    Most surprising thing is that the fan it pulls the air in. The hot air actually escapes thru the hatch opening at driving sppeds. If your 308 has overheating issues, there could be other issues such as carb mixture, spark plug temperature & gapping. Pantera owners use other tricks: water wetter coolant additive, good modern radiator shrouded pusher fans, modern design radiator, exhaust coatings....
     
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  23. Mark Charlton

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    I have a fairly original stock 1971 Pantera. With modern rubber it drives, rides and handles very well. It's not quite up to the best modern sports coupes but by 1971 standards, it was pretty advanced. The original narrow bias ply tires were likely to blame for some of the early handling concerns. That said, it IS a mid-engined car with uneven weight distribution and when the back decides to let go, it does so with vigor. I have found that there is some warning and have rarely been caught out badly, but I don't drive mine too aggressively.

    I've also driven a few late model Pantera GT5s and find they drive even better. Lighter steering, clutch, smoother and even softer ride (to my aging back that is a plus...). I have a good friend who drives his GT5 all the time and he always exits the car with a big smile. Fantastic value for money, IMHO. Also a pretty great looking car for a 40 year-old.
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  24. Pantera1889

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    Hey Keith! You keeping Holmes in line???


    Ron
     
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