The official replica/re-creation thread

If I were you I would stop trying, because Ferrari fakes are not acceptable to lovers of classic Ferraris.

They never will be, because they destroy our heritage, introduce fakery and dishonesty into our passion, demean those who have worked hard to afford the real Ferraris, and are nothing but "look at me" props for people who prefer pretending to being.

 

Not sure, but unfortunately a 250 GT 2+2 has been lost.

Was the Drogo body worth saving?. Did 2735GT achieve anything with the Drogo body on it? Definitely 2735GT achieved fame as a 250GT SWB.

But now 2735GT wears a new body, but it is not a replica because this is what it was, so it is a restoration that unfortunately required a new body. This car can never be what it was in 1961, which is a great shame ...

But I can understand the want to restore it to a more important phase of it's life. The Drogo body should have been put on a stand and left off a chassis, if the owner did not want to keep 2735GT wearing it.
Pete

 

Good question.

#3611 has been cut in two: The original body and the original drivetrain have been separated.

Where is the original body? You do not say, so I assume that it has either dissolved into rust in some Arizona backshed, or it has been transformed in trendy bar furniture for the Colorado home of an automobile "enthusiast": That part of #3611 has met an untimely and humiliating death.

As for the drivetrain of #3611, it has been "mated" to an original body from another, historically significant car, thereby creating a hybrid with an original body from one car and an original drivetrain from another. That's called a fake, which in this case "proudly" carries original parts from purposefully perverted or destroyed classic Ferraris.

Whatever it is, #3611 is no longer a Ferrari. For shame.

 

I have seen a really fantastic re-creation of the Mondial 500 SD.
The cars looks fantastic and when you have seen it you probable will buy the car.
Until you have seen the engine...An Alfa...
The problem with such cars is that you always will buy and drive a fake Ferrari, its an Alfa..I have made the final decision not to buy the car for that reason only...
The looks are great but you will never enter any event or rally with a fake car.
Why drive a fake car when you can go for the real...
Also for the price you have to pay you can buy a real one and i am not gonna buy a car to showoff...knowing that it is an Alfa and not a Ferrari...
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Good man! Well thought, and well said!

A Mondial with four cylinders! Pfffffffffffff......... ROFTU! (TU=Throwing Up)

 

Julio, the first ones are with 2 ltr 4-cylinder.

But glad you understand me, thanks for the support!
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Ooops... Of course. My mind is elsewhere...

I should have said: "A Mondial with an Alfa engine! Pfffffffffffff.... ROFTU! (TU=Throwing Up)"

 

As the owner of 2735, this has been most interesting to follow. PSk's views in the comment above certainly mirror mine. When I bought the car in 1984, the car was in a 1000 pieces but it already had had a new 'scaglietti style' body put back on it and the Drogo body had been sold on.

If I had the choice today of keeping the Drogo body 'on a stand' I would of course do just that, but I would venture to say that at the time, I was stretched to buy just the 2735 project and even now would have certainly not had the space to accomodate the Drogo body as a 'storage item', all of which has to be a consideration.

Should the car have been restored back to its Moss glory days? - in my opinion yes, but I completely understand why others have in the past suggested that this would not have been the 'right' thing to do. I also think that opinions in 1984 were different to those of today - the Drogo body had all but fallen apart as I understand it, so it was not the simple choice of taking a perfectly good body off and putting a new body on.

What really is important, is that no-one should be led into thinking that a car is something other than it holds itself out to be. 2735's history is well documented and it has never been lost from view. I have never held her out to be an 'original' car as clearly it isn't. It is however the Moss SWB as the chassis is key to the efficacy of a car (and I agree with the view that the chassis is like a human's skeleton etc - you can have plastic surgery or a heart transplant, kidney transplant and metal pieces holding your limbs together, - but you are still that person) and Classiche I believe, hold that view as well.

Classiche strive to restore cars to the state in which they last left the factory; to the last nut and bolt and in the case of my restoration, they really found some errors in the original restoration of the car which would have passed the majority of restorers by. They do NOT claim to make a car original -merely 'as original' - a BIG difference and some suscribers need to understand that this really is a significant difference. Obviously the accreditation process for the likes of the Breadvan is something else, and a welcome addition in my opinion. Clearly my car with the Drogo body could have been accredited in that way (though back in 2007 I did not have that choice available to me, OR for that matter, the Drogo body). Which direction would have been right? A matter of opinion again, but I think on balance I would have kept 2735 in her Rob Walker Blue.

If I couldn't afford an Alfa GTA as stated above, I personally would not buy a replica, but those that do, should not hold them out to be a GTA and it is important that as the sands of time pass us by, we all do really know what is real and what is not. For that simple matter alone, a Classiche certificate will become increasingly important.

Regards

Clive Beecham

 

Thank you for the clarification. I think all of us know that MANY restored cars (not only Ferrari) have new bodies today. Just because after a long racing career, many cars needed a new body.

 

Im sorry, this combination made me laugh

First you have the condescending, double standard (modesty?) post:

Then quickly proving your own point that you have indeed forgotten more than the poster will ever learn

Ferrari made many successful four cylinder engines. And I’d imagine will again in the not too distant future.

 

I owned this car in 2000. I bought it from a guy in the UK named Stewart Parker and sold to West Coast Motors in Osprey FL. It was part built by Favre and on his death was completed by Lawrence. When I first had it the Paint was very shiny Red with tan seats. I purposely distressed the car and fitted replica correct interior, flattened the paint, ensured it had plenty of chips and dents and the exhausts neatly covered the rear in black soot. It ceratinly 'Looked' correct when it left me. Engine was very strong and the gearbox was a correct original old stock GTO item..........UK title number AFE 559 A. I was offered the car back in about 2005 but declined.
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Unsure how this response system works but see my post earlier with photo......it appears on page 5 of this thread........paul

 

I've shown no disrespect that I know of and perhaps you're right "show some elementary modesty instead of putting in doubt the Ferrari culture of many members, like myself, who have forgotten more about Ferrari than you will ever learn."

I've only been involved in the world of Ferraris for a very short time. I was 21 when I bought my 1st one, a 330GT 2+2. I'm now 67 and I realize that 46 years of Ferrari ownership makes me a newbie compared to some of you.

My deepest apologies go out to all of you aficionados for the posts I've made that may have offended you. I'm just a mere neophyte in this game.

I do have a question though. Mark Gerish has been producing Ferrari recreations(and others) for many years; why hasn't Ferrari put him out of business as they've done with most replica manufacturers and even people that replicate their logos????

Does anyone know why?

 

, Darolls.

As you have owned Ferraris for so long I again struggle with the fact that you are so keen to see them cut up. Maybe they are mere transport for you?

BTW: May I ask what happened to the 330GT 2+2?
Pete

 

I saw a 250 GTO replica at the Zolder circuit in Belgium in May 1989. It had Swiss registration GE 30600 (please note it's just one digit different from what you quote). I was never able to find the chassis number though. It was part of the Jean-Pierre van Rossem entourage.
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I thought I recognised that name. Leno’s ‘cobra’ replica

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/sports-cars/ac-cobra-427-replica/

If someone alters the look of their own car, as long as the underpinnings are genuine, it doesn’t mean you have to remove the badge, as far as I know.

 

Esse quam videri.

 

Jean-Pierre van Rossem owned a GTO Replica based on the chassis of GTE 3343GT and used the engine from GTE 4703GT (killed two cars with one replica!). I would assume that this is it. Unfortunately, the previous keepers of the Register did not keep the original documentation from which they got their information, so mis-typing of digits is hard to spot or correct, which also assumes the original spotter got the information correct. It would be hard to mix up either of these serial numbers with 3583GT, but the license plate is very close...

 

I've seen GTO replica 3343/4703 too (also indeed asociated with Van Rossem) and it's a different one from this Swiss registered replica. I'm 100% sure.
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I wonder if he moved the license plates from car to car?

 

That's a beautiful recreation, Paul. I think some people don't realise just how much work goes into these cars to make them as accurate as possible. But when you've done all the work yourself, you can stand back, be proud of the result and enjoy driving to that lovely sound track at 7500 rpm! I hope I can show you mine one day, in London.

 

Yes quality work, but I believe it is harder to restore the original body. With a replica as long as it looks approximately right its close enough.

BTW: Sound track at 7500 rpm will be the same no matter what body ... there are owners that track their GTE's. I have much more respect for them .
Pete

 

Sheehan has two recreations on offer, "330GTO #8559" and "1961 Sharknose TR #13123"...

 

Both made by Mark.

 

Incredible. Your skills should be applied to really rare, non-production cars.

Andres