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  1. Fan512bbi

    Fan512bbi Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You guys playing nicely? :)
     
  2. kraftwerk

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    Err Yes boss.. ..:)
     
  3. Fan512bbi

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  4. Cozmic_Kid

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    +1.

    I don't like Massa as most on here already know, but there is no reason for all these attemps on his life by Hamilton.
     
  5. ricksb

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    Lol...you guys are killing me.

    Always remember, it takes two to tangle. Massa is not some innocent guy just cruising along and gets hit sideswiped by the diabolical Hamilton. It's like the whole purpose of his career is to be a victim of Hamilton at this point.

    I wish he'd put as much energy into his driving as he does his feud with Hamilton. If he did, maybe there would be less conversation about his replacement on the Scuderia.
     
  6. kraftwerk

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    +1 again, I was going to respond but it's like banging your head on a wall sometimes..
     
  7. Neonzapper

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    So, Massa purposely lets Hamilton disable his Ferrari to become a victim while Hamilton keeps on racing?

    Thank you for not responding with that response, but maybe you should go around wearing a helmet to protect your head. ;)

    Cosmic Kid is right- it has nothing to do with liking or disliking Massa. Hamilton targets Massa every race. If it weren't so, the Stewards wouldn't keep penalizing Hamilton nearly every race.

    And yes, Hamilton is fast. So what? If he isn't targeting Massa, then he is a terrible passer.
     
  8. kraftwerk

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    I'am really sorry you are worried that Hamilton is trying to kill Massa, but you will get over it.

    Hamilton is a fast racer who has a WDC, yes that is true, heartbreaking I know, but tis a fact..
     
  9. Fan512bbi

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    If Massa is as bad as everyone says and Hamilton is as good as everyone says? they should not be on the same piece of track at the same time surely? :)
     
  10. SRT Mike

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    Look at where Hamilton ended up vs what he had to deal with in the race. Then look at where Massa ended up and what he had to deal with in the race.

    Lewis had a drive-through plus the wing change. And Massa sat in the back doing nothing except waiting to get lapped and cause embarassment for Ferrari, while his teammate went to the podium. There is just no excuse for such a disparity in results.

    I think Massa is still butt-hurt over 2007. Most people, especially guys, and most especially guys who participate in competitive sports for a living, have huge egos. Massa can either believe he just isn't as good as the others, or he can believe that events beyond his control have conspired against him. He believes the latter, just like Webber.

    I think that when Hamilton comes up on Massa, Felipe takes an "I ain't moving for you PERIOD" attitude. If you look at Hamilton passing Schumacher, Rosberg, DiResta, Sutil and others - he's aggressive but the others know when to fight and when to yield. I think Massa behaves like the bluehairs who drive 65mph in the fast lane - clinging to the wheel and firmly believing "I am doing the limit and it's not my job to help you out".

    Not that this incident was Massa's fault - but in general, he just doesn't have the fire he needs and it's never his fault. He's turning into Barrichello. Must be something in the water in Brazil ;)
     
  11. ricksb

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    Well stated. It's not like we don't want to see Massa do well, it's that the only time we hear from him is when he's *****ing about Hamilton's doing something wrong to him. I want to see Felipe deliver results that justify his spot on the team. At one time that was his calling. Now it's just whining about Hamilton.

    We get it, you guys hate each other. Now, go out and finish races strong.
     
  12. ricksb

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    #112 ricksb, Sep 25, 2011
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    They screw with each other, that's my point. Felipe is not as innocent as he portrays. I think what happens with these two is that Felipe is thinking "you're not going to pass me (if you happen to be behind me) PERIOD!" Hamilton's stance seems to be "you're not going to hold me up PERIOD". Ergo, they tangle more than anyone else.

    The only difference is, Hamilton seems to be trying to win, while Felipe seems to be trying to block. I just want him to focus more on the former. Like today, Hamilton is 3 spots behind Felipe after his penalty and ends up 4 spots ahead of him. That just can't happen!
     
  13. ricksb

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    That's going to happen due to pit stops, safety cars, and starting behind Webber.

    I think people are saying Felipe needs to keep the focus. His personal issues with Hamilton should not be the highlights (lowlights) of his season.
     
  14. Fan512bbi

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    I know :) just messin :D
     
  15. Cozmic_Kid

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    I completely agree with the bolded part. Massa just suck big time.

    This does not change the fact that Hami drive like a goon and often get in conflict on the track with Massa. Well, it's not just Massa he run off the track, it's pretty much anyone who is near him.
     
  16. Jack-the-lad

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    Sorry...I thought this thread was about Button.

    I'll just get me coat, then............
     
  17. tifosi12

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    Totally agree with SRTMike's comments.

    Hamilton is a huge talent, Massa is mediocre.

    I can't wait until Ferrari replaces him. Button would be great but I'm happy with anybody but him at this point. Even guys like Petrov and Senna and that's saying much.
     
  18. classic308

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    Off topic-Massa still smarting over losing in 2008 and Hammy smarting over the chinning Jenson's giving him this year....

    On topic, I'd take Jenson's dad over Massa at Ferrari. Massa must have pictures of Luca with some Nazi-clad women....wait, never mind...

    Seriously, I cannot believe they have Massa for another year. WTF Luca???

    Yes Andreas, I'd take Senna over Felipe also.
     
  19. Senna1994

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    +1 Great Post as usual. Your spot on.
     
  20. Senna1994

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    Excellent and right on the money, don't forget his attempt last year in Germany to keep Alonso behind him, and when the team told him to move over, to avoid a collision between teammates and his demeanor afterwards.
     
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    I even take Hamis dad over Massa. Or Nico's ;)
     
  22. classic308

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    Strangely, Massa has won more GPs than Keke and Nico combined-in fact Nico has as many GP wins as I do...seriously Phil has lost the plot some time ago IMHO. What's Andrea de Cesaris doing these days lol?
     
  23. Senna1994

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    If anything it seems like Massa has been getting worse than he was in 2010 which is a shame, I figured he would get better. But your right, he needs to go.
     
  24. tifosi12

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    #124 tifosi12, Sep 25, 2011
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    Massa was average before his accident and since he got worse.

    The difference in results compared to Alomso speaks volumes.

    It is beyond me why Ferrari extended his contract.
     
  25. classic308

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    Leaving for Italy in 10 days time-I'll ask Luca if I run into him....seriously, I think it has to do with the Singapore 2008 gas hose f up and somehow Luca in a strange sense of loyalty keeps giving Felipe a chance.
     

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