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500 miles on Enzo engine rebuild

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  1. Bill S

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    #1 Bill S, Sep 24, 2011
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    I'm almost at the 600-mile break-in period. The engine runs noticeably quiter and smoother than it did when almost new (1,200 miles)...

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvewVcfx6_Y[/ame]
     
  2. canadianferrarista

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    No revving?.....just kidding. ;)

    I am curious to ask at how many miles and why you needed a rebuild.......sorry I have not been following the story leading up to the rebuild.
     
  3. 134282

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    Is that at idle?
     
  4. 4re Nut

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    #4 4re Nut, Sep 24, 2011
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    see this thread: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300296

     
  5. canadianferrarista

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  6. Mr. Francesco

    Mr. Francesco F1 Rookie

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    Glad to see it back up and running :)
     
  7. Bill S

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    Yes, that is at idle after a dirve.
     
  8. BigTex

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    Good you are back running!

    It's odd to me, I once bought two indentical automobiles, but it was obvious one engine was 'smoother" or 'stronger' than the other one....

    Looks like you had a good guy on the rebuild!!
     
  9. MD326

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    Bill, were you able to get some break-in/test hours on an engine dyno as Jim had mentioned in your rebuild thread? Glad to see it's running smooth.
     
  10. Bill S

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    Unfortunately we didn't have that luxury. So we broke it in very carefully on the road. We uncovered a leaky rear crankshaft seal. Ferrari updated that part but sent us an older part in the original gasket kit.

    The clutch was also damaged during the break-in, apparently due to a faulty sensor that didn't show up on the SP3. The car beeped a few times and then shut-off the fuel pump when I stopped to help protect itself. Unfortunately the clutch disk was already damaged.

    So far it's looking very good.
     
  11. 134282

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    It sounds amazing at idle; it sounds like a lesser sports car at speed.
     
  12. Enzo

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    So is Ferrari paying for the gasket to get replaced since they (the experts) sent you the outdated part?
     
  13. Napolis

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    Bill

    When you install new clutch don't be tempted to set shift time super fast unless you want to be replacing it again in 4K miles...
     
  14. Texas Forever

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    Hmm... I thought faster shift times helped a clutch last longer, i.e., faster engagement = less slip, particularly under power.

    dale
     
  15. Nativetroy

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    Sounds nice. Good to see she's going strong. Break in being over, is it back to the track or are you going to let it rest a little longer?
     
  16. frefan

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    Ferrari sending an outdated leaky seal? Can't even imagine such a thing :D
     
  17. Napolis

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    Nope. Setting the Enzo shifts to the fastest time, which as an aside the factory doesn't do causes a lot more stress on the clutch and wheel bearings which as a further asides cost about 14K in parts alone. Some of the bolts and you have to replace a lot of them when you replace the wheel bearings are over $300 each. You don't have to be an engineer to understand this. Simply set the shift time to minimum and feel the clutch and wheel bearings bang as you shift away. Final bit of advise. Follow the recommend procedure with a SD3 EXACTLY including follow up checks after a run through all the gears as you don't want to get this wrong.
     
  18. Ferraripilot

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    Doesn't she purr. Very nice.


    I have heard Enzo motors are somewhat notorious for snapping valve springs. Any truth to this? I have personal knowledge of only one case, which was specific to Steve Wynn's black Enzo in Las Vegas. I believe a couple of the springs snapped.
     
  19. 250P

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    #19 250P, Sep 29, 2011
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    Are the internals of the Enzo, 599GTB, 599GTO and MC12 F140 units interchangeable?
     
  20. Napolis

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    That was early on. There was a recall that addressed that. We've had no issues with them.
     
  21. Bill S

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    Not many for the newer 599. Possibly more for the MC12.

    You can't see the engine moving and can barely hear any mechanical sounds.

    Yes, the seal outside the older gasket kit is newer.

    I think I'll test it on the street for a year.

    Thanks Jim. I remember you telling me that a while back. They set it to the middle of the range.

    Yes, including the labor to replace the gasket, the clutch, and a large discount on the clutch parts. Ferrari warranties all rebuilds for one year, unlimited mileage.

    It's pretty loud under load at 7,000+. But maybe not as loud and shrill as a Scuderia or CS with the Enzo's stock exhaust.
     
  22. REALZEUS

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    According to the decibel-metre the Enzo is louder.

    At any rate, congrats Bill and I hope you get to really savour your newly-engined Enzo!
     
  23. PAP 348

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    Very cool Bill, glad to hear it's back on the road.

    Besides this minor set-back, the engine sounds very nice at idle.
     
  24. Texas Forever

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    Well, I would hope that even Ferrari would build in a little bit of over engineering so that tightening up on shift points would not cause massive running gear failure, but what do I know?

    The point I was making was someone recently pointed out to me the reason why F1 clutches burn out in 15,000 miles is because Ferrari, for whatever reason, presets a relatively slow shift speed. Instead of engaging quickly, the plates slowly (again in a relative sense) grind themselves together.

    Dale
     
  25. Napolis

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    #25 Napolis, Sep 30, 2011
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2011
    I think they burn out on paddle shifting cars because of reversing which causes huge slippage and first gear stop and go which slips and kills the clutch.

    Being careful I got 28K miles on an F1 and there was still some clutch left.

    Shift speed on the Enzo is a different issue here. When set to fastest it really slams the drive train and causes other issues.

    Best
     

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