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  1. Boudewijn

    Boudewijn F1 Rookie
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    Boudewijn Berkhoff
    #6626 Boudewijn, Oct 2, 2011
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  2. John Vardanian

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    Boudewijn , which is the blue car with the red stripe? Thanks.

    john
     
  3. cuxa

    cuxa Karting

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    Tour de France 1958 : 1031 GT H. Shell - J. Peron # 163 (4th OA)
     
  4. Boudewijn

    Boudewijn F1 Rookie
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    Boudewijn Berkhoff
    #6629 Boudewijn, Oct 3, 2011
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  5. enzo125ferrari

    enzo125ferrari Karting

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    #6630 enzo125ferrari, Oct 3, 2011
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  6. Miura Jota

    Miura Jota F1 Rookie

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    your knowledge and pics never ceases to amaze ! :eek:

    thanks for sharing

    now I see where this brazilian TR confussion came from ...

    unbelievable !
     
  7. John Vardanian

    John Vardanian F1 Rookie

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  8. iicarJohn

    iicarJohn Karting

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    If you'd seen the 1958 Peron correspondence with Ferrari ... and the estimates for repairs after the TdF 1958 "prang" ... that didn't put the car out of the race (4th o/a), you would not say there was any similarity other than it was the same corner that suffered a bit of body damage. Oh, and not surprisingly, there was a later (1959) estimate made by Ferrari that upped the repair bill by a considerable amount. That said, I did not actually determine if Peron paid for repairs suggested by the first estimate ... or the second. During the repairs, Peron attempted to sell the car to Jo Schlesser but Schlesser's interest seemed to be centered on the TdF 1959 race. Schlesser bought the new 1509GT from Ferrari for that purpose ... and crashed it. 1031GT was sold to B. Cotton even while the extensive repairs from 1958 were still being completed.

    I was lucky to see a good portion of a significant amount of Peron correspondence back in the late 1980's (or very early 1990's?) shortly after it was donated to the Musee de l'Automobiliste not far from Nice. And there was more (some of it the same material) that I saw later with a friend, the owner of 1031GT, a very nice Ferrari. All in all, there's an amazing amount of documentation that was saved. This car, along with many cars that were raced, is a great example of how "matching numbers" does not mean that everything remained precisely "as built" for more than a few weeks. Additional studies tell us that this can be true not only for racing cars. But, that reality for racing cars is a part of the history that has helped make these cars so great and sought-after. It ain't just the looks and performance that helps them get onto and off of lawns at Pebble Beach ... and elsewhere.

    "Original" is not always "best" and history continues to be made even today. And ten years ago.

    John
     
  9. John Vardanian

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    #6634 John Vardanian, Oct 4, 2011
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  10. Miura Jota

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    #6635 Miura Jota, Oct 5, 2011
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  11. velocetwo

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    #6636 velocetwo, Oct 5, 2011
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  12. tongascrew

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  13. Boudewijn

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    Also 1031GT.
     
  14. gavin

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    Is that David Loves TDF?
     
  15. Miura Jota

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    Avandaro Mex. 1958
     
  16. John Vardanian

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    Yes. Love's car.
     
  17. Miura Jota

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  19. Michiel Mobiel

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  20. Miura Jota

    Miura Jota F1 Rookie

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    #6645 Miura Jota, Oct 10, 2011
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    In order to break the rules , you must know them first .

    Carroll was the responsible of the Ferrari Slayer right ?
     
  21. readplays

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    Eric Broadley at Lola in UK contracted for F.A.V. (Ford Advanced Vehicles) to start. I believe it was initiated by Henry Ford II in house as a Ford project before the chicken farmer became involved. That's my understanding but I'm ready to stand corrected.
     
  22. Miura Jota

    Miura Jota F1 Rookie

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    I guess being a Le Mans winner also helps any chicken farmer ...

    I wonder if this pic was taken before or after Carroll won Le Mans ...
     
  23. PSk

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    Correct:
    But I think Miura Jota was really thinking of the Cobra when he wrote F slayer, as the Cobra is the start of the Ford versus Ferrari battles.
    Pete
     
  24. enzo125ferrari

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    #6649 enzo125ferrari, Oct 11, 2011
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  25. iicarJohn

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    #6650 iicarJohn, Oct 11, 2011
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