F1 World Driving Champion and Countach DD QV owner Keke Rosberg and Valentino. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I wonder what it's like to sit next to Keke in a Countach with the side windows rolled down and him pounding away on his cigarettes while throwing the car around.
Here is some onboard clip of ' LP5000S Countach. Quality for the sound; Good.! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8JRTMofbTE[/ame]
Kazu's S1 1121026 is already posted in the thread. Its the ex-Armin Johl car, the one that the factory built for him to replace the car that Valentino crashed & wrote-off (1121012) Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wonderful. Seems like just as you get into the power band and the engine note's sweet spot you've got to trim it back.
Yes, one who could actually utilize the Countach's potential I think !! His was QV DD FLA12808.. As with a long line special customers: Silvera, Wolf, Johl, Dypvik, Regazzoni, Martini, Robinson et al, the factory would "unofficially" accommodate with tuned engines and close-ratio boxes. All you had to do was ask upon ordering the car, and not question the invoice. These days it seems if asked about these cars there is an official 'code of silence' ranging from "We cant remember" to "We never did any such thing". Very funny...limited liability at work. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Considering the passage of time, Italy's mandatory retirement age and the number of times the Company has changed hands it would seem remarkable if anyone could remember any specific "special" details from the cars of the ancient past.
Such as wonderfull peace of history. These things really warms my heart. It would be a mirracle if Lamborghini wouldn't do those things to these special customers those days. Joe, do you have any information where and what condition Keke's Countach is today?
It was for sale quite a long time in south of france, seems to be sold meanwhile, I was wondering it didn't go earlier since the price was not the issue.
Loved Payton. He was such a nice guy. Does anyone know which car this was? I asked about it earlier in this thread but I don't think anyone knew. I remember reading about Kangaroos and this car back in the day. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well, as much as I "respect" Joe's comments and contibutions to the car community, I STRONGLY dis-agree with the "secrets" of a "special" car..EVEN the special plaques JUST say special construction for... There is NO evidence what so ever that any of these "special tuned" cars had anything more then maybe an extra 5 minutes spent hand adjusting the DD carbs, there sure was no different exhaust, no different size carbs, fuel lines, pumps, cams, valves..the ONLY way to confirm this is when some of these so called special "tunned" cars are taken apart today by quailifyed people that can compare them to the "standard" cars..and of late, a few have had this done with NO difference what so ever located. The same stands true for the "close ratio" gear box, just NO proff of such, to the contrary, again a few cars with this "calimed" gear box, when examined have shown NO difference what so ever in the standard gear box delivery of ALL QV cars. I also dont think ANY common driver would or could tell the difference in the "ratio" gearbox. As an example the 6.0 and 6.0SE are to have different gear ratios..when we had my 6,.0SE apart and my 6.0 at the same time, YES we found that the FIRST gear..and ONLY the first gear was slightly diffferent in the 6.0SE, so slight I could never tell the difference. IMO, ALL these "old men" stories are just that, stories that started around the factory walls, out to the pubs and on to customers to let them hear what they wanted to hear as they were "special" picking up their car at the factory..and as ALL fish stories go, they just kept getting better and bigger as time has gone on, just keep getting passed around...as with all stories, after a period of time, they just become excepted as the truth with NO DOCUMENTATION what so ever.. For ME, I will go with a factory EMPLOYEE that was present at the time, the word from the THERE and PRESENT person(s)...NO such thing as a close ratio gear box for the QV, all the same and justy plain hype and salesman ship for the "tunned" motors. I for one would not advertise, or claim a car to have these "factory items" with out SPECIFIC documentation to these claimed facts and/or been verifiyed by a quailifyed mechanic. Just a story to help sell a car today at a better price with the "hush hush" story that goes with it..I just wont do that.
Roy, what you suggest is certainly plausible, even likely. Few, if any buyers of a new Countach would really know the difference between the "Plain Jane" model and one that had received "Special Tuning". It all really sounds like "Special Salesmanship" meant to enhance the marque's already pretty sizeable mystique. We've previously discussed whether there were special cams available from the factory. I'm not aware of any optional part numbers.
If we just step back a moment, forget that we love the Lambo cars and all their history of changing hands, different parts that were available at the time in the factory, no race history on and on and on.. IT ONLY makes sense that back in the day, a small competing company would do as ALL the salesman in is do from time to time...expand on a GOOD story, that is both unable to prove or dis-prove.. After all, what sounds better coming out of Rod Stewart's mouth back in the day... "I got that special car out there, made for me with faster gear box and HOT motor" You could not get better advertising then that in the small "super car" market of back then...and the stories just passed down from owner to owner to owner, each time getting a little better.. I LOVE Lambo just as much as the rest of us, but I dont want to "pass" on info that is NOT substantiaed to a possible buyer or new comer to the Lambo world..as far as 'Cams"..your right, to this day, none have been proven any different, with the exception of some "Documented" cars i.e. JOTA, 6.0SE etc etc..so until I SEE a documented difference IN WRITING...to me it did not exsist..but makes for GREAT stroy telling around the meets sipping on the Italian wine of the past..
The way you feel about this topic is completely understandable. I felt that way at first too. But then I realized that it is easy to cast doubt, but more meaningful to follow leads and see where they take you. Silvera, Wolf, Johl, Dypvik, Regazzoni, Martini, Robinson et al and more besides that I cant even recall or simply dont know about all got cars in the 70s & 80s to whatever spec they wanted and this included engine tuning. See below.... Gearboxes: there is an F-Chat member who is a great restorer of these cars and perhaps he will chime in himself with his experience of F1 driver Clay Reggazzoni's Lamborghini with shorter gear ratios. The point is, in the 70s & 80s, Lamborghini would do whatever you wanted so far as you were happy to pay. Unfortunately in that era they did a terrible job of recording any custom work. It happened, but for those that do not believe it did, that's OK, the cars sell themselves anyway. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hey Tim! Margaret says Hi to you & Betsy. I'm not aware of any "optional part numbers" either, but see above.
Certainly it's possible that liberties were taken by the factory but without some "nuts & bolts" documentation (I like to look at the actual parts in question) it's hard not to consider at least some claims suspect. The letter from Dallara is pretty cool and definitely adds to the mystique.
Very good AND with this, I would feel comfortable advertising or stating this "extra" info for this paticular car DUE to the documentation. Of course I am not sure what "trimmed" means, but I except that THIS car (not a 80's QV) had something "extra" done to it. But this is ONE of many cars that of late have been "referenced" or "advertised" as "special tuned" or "short gear ratio" etc etc..I think we are getting a little carried away with just adding this info out there with out documentation..I am ALL for stating a car's "extra special" items..but once it is and has been documented..so ONE down multiple to go..