Finally picking my dark red out of custom made samples tomorrow (for RED/BOXER paint job on my 308 GT4).. . BUT.. How to paint the dark red over boxer black?? Should the red be painted first.. or is it ok/good to paint the boxer black first as 2 painters suggest.. then the red.. It's only complicated .. cuz the job will include the usual black and red pinstripes at the junction of the two colors.. So.. If the black is oversprayed first.. Then the red will be painted over the black in that area.. IS THAT OK? Otherwise, it will be black boxer paint .. over the red overspray?? HELP? Thanks, Jim
I would do the color first, slightly spraying past the reveal line, then do the Boxer Black last (and it tapes to the TOP of the reveal line detent) You could do it the other way, but why?? Paying attention to the gloss and flow of the top color is 90% of the work, spraying satin black on the lowers could be done in High School Auto Shop, IMO. I have done it in my driveway..... (touch up repairs) Your painter will know.
I wanna do the two pinstripes like this.. . So, more complicated to mask and spray two different clearcoats.. one glossy and one matt.. . Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hopefully, your painter will use a fine line tape for the job, not masking tape as it looks like was done on the rear corner in the picture above. Don't want a ragged edge. You want a nice, clean, sharp line.
This really is a simple color/stripe layout. Your painter should know. Back in the day, the lower layout was nothing more than a matte black material sprayed on after masking the color. Now you are talking about a 2 stage matte clearcoat? Use as little material as possible to keep the fineline tape edge to a minimum.
Paint shop.. But, he's never done this type of two-tone.. or boxer paint. Now that I think about it.. the red should be painted first. Otherwise, the overspray black boxer paint will need primer before the red paint... maybe the red painted over the black overspray will look different than the red painted over the sealer/primer above the overspray??? Whattayathink? Thanks, Jim
You need to go into the booth with him... The red needs a much thicker application to get the visual depth, several passes when wet before the flowout......then once cured the black goes on. With fine line tape he may well paint to the same tape seam, there is no overspray. I used to watch them paint my cars, without respirators.....simpler times.
What I think > I'd get two aluminum panels, couple sq ft each and do a panel each way, from primer to clear coat. I don't know if you are paying $5k or $12k for the job (the traditional range), but what's at stake is worth the an extra couple hundred dollars for several hours and paint. Perhaps the painter will split the expense, although you stand to get a better paint job, he's the one gaining experience. It will also prove the pinstripe technique and allow several types of tape to be used.
I'll let him know.. I thot the matt clear over the satin black was a good idea for road wear (esp rocks from the front tire).. . Blame me. The painter wants to paint black first.. saying painting the red over the black overspray.. just above the pinstripes.. would be no problem (?).. . Still gotta spray samples of the three red colors they mixed for me.. hopefully tomorrow.. Thanks, Jim
You are making this more complicated then it really needs to be Prep the whole care Tape up the whole care Shoot the lower rockers up to and slightly over the revel line with Single stage matte black, 60% gloss Once dry tape off the black with fine line tape Scotch pad the 1" area of black that will now be color Shoot the car in base Shoot the clear coat and its done. you dont want to apply the black matte after you do youe BC/CC paint. if you tape over the BC/CC paint you might run the risk of black overspray on the new paint or black bleeding through the tape onto the BC/CC paint
I live in a low cost.. Ferrari barren zone .. in Fresno, CA. The reason I'm painting is .. the only real interest in my car.. old Met Blue (never got a code! Ha!)/Crema, 41K, with Tubi exhaust and new suspension stuff.. was ~ $17K ! Originally, 2 months ago, I decided to spiff up the paint by repainting Met Blue. But.. while attempting to find the Met Blue code.. I found the car I really like the most.. (below) Originally, it was gonna be a simple outer repaint ($2K) .. but switching to a two-tone and needed "inner" paint choice.. will certainly bump the very modest price.. I'll let you know how it turns out.. and the cost. Maybe some of you Californians would wanna drive here for the bargain paint.. ?? The windows are remaining on my car.. shud be fine (removed sealer around peripheral edge of windshield frame to get nice paint result). Thanks, Jim P.S. Includes cut/polish! Image Unavailable, Please Login
What are you doing about the lights, bumpers, door handles, wheels, chrome trim, cowl, wipers, etc. etc.? Good luck be sure to post during and after shots too.
Here's my pre-paint photo.. . At Concourso Italiano .. someone posted a pic they snapped and put online.. . Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Over some repaired rust ..and some crackle paint (original?) ..sanded out and primered/sealed.. As I said.. blue repaint was to be $2K incl cut/polish.. . (Exterior only) NOW.. $$.. . ?? Had to do 3 sample reds too! (owner of "dream car" dint help with color!).. 3 panels to view tomorrow??? I took off everything but windows.. not hard at all.. I will be "redyeing" leather.. (sprayover product).. . Does anyong know "code" for vents color ("black metallic").. . (front hood, engine cover vents) Thanks for all your comments! Jim P.S. Heh Ferris! If you wanna pull that California up outta your friend's gulley?.. I'll dump this project..to restore THAT!
According to me, the rad exit grille on the bonnet or the rad inlet grille below the bumper line?..... The rad exit should always be silver, silver on Euro cars for sure.
Mine are black.. I think thats normal here.. ?? BUT.. It's not just gloss or stain black! It appears "metallic black" .. ?? Anyone know about this? I know it's a small point .. but .. . curious? Thanks, Jim
My stripping experience is with older paints; not the new clear coat systems. During high school, I worked in a body shop and we used to strip the old 1970's muscle cars. My suggestion is to paint the whole car red let it dry then mask, scuff and paint the flat black strips. Immediately after shooting the flat black, I would pull the tape-off. If you remove the tape while the paint is wet the edges will sink. Conversely, if the paint dries the edge will be "torn" and it will have sharp edges. About 10 years ago I had a '70 SS Chevelle. I had to touch-up the hood once and repaint completely once too. Acrylic enamel was used and the tape was pulled-off right when the gun was set-down. The edges of the stripes looked great even where there were blends. For your stripes, because of durability, you may want to use acrylic enamel with hardener. I would put the first coat on with-out flattening compound and the second coat with flattening compound added. With catalyzed acrylic enamel you need to add a lot of flattening compound; I used to use as much flattening compound as paint (then add reducer). I do not have any experience with flattening in urethane clear coats, but I think it would be better to not have clear on the stripes. If you don't have clear it is very easy to touch a spot-up. You can try samples and see what works. A big problem with flat paint is that you can not sand & buff any rough tape edges. Have fun and keep us posted on what you decide. Best, Mark
The pics show the three sample reds with lower boxer black paint. They were picked from established catalog OEM colors, rather than the custom paints I requested and expected, but outcome OK! [No Lexus Matador Red Mica darkened as I had hoped?] The one on the left is a little orangish.. the middle one is too dark, actually a pearl maroon.. but, the right is a close match in our opinion. SO, let the painting begin.. . I'll keep you informed.. . Jim Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login