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Dino Oil Filter Poll

Discussion in '206/246' started by UroTrash, May 12, 2008.

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Best oil filter for Dino

  1. Fram Racing HP-1

  2. Baldwin B-253

  3. other

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  1. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 20, 2004
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    Your preferred Oil filter for the Dino is........

    Please vote in poll or add filter not listed.
     
  2. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
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    Hard to beat Baldwin.

    If only they made a filter for 348/355/360/430.
     
  3. John Corbani

    John Corbani Formula 3
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    Ran HP=1 for more than 130,000 miles. When overhauled engine at 181,000 miles bearings still had some life, crank and rods were fine. Hard to beat. Change filter and oil every 3000 miles or twice a year. Castrol 20-50 is fine in Southern California.
    John
     
  4. synchro

    synchro F1 Veteran

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    UFI 2316200

    Looking at my last oil analysis (http://www.oillab.com) I see the soot level (and other contaminants in the physical data) at 0%. I highly recommend periodic oil analyses to help understand its health.
     
  5. abstamaria

    abstamaria F1 Rookie

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    #5 abstamaria, Oct 29, 2011
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    I serviced my Dino this morning (a 1972 model) and found I had three options for the oil filter in my storeroom. A Fram HP-1, a UFI 2316200 (still in its Ferrari box), and a UFI 2316201.

    I Googled the topic and found there are many discussions on each of these filters, including here at Ferrari Chat. Here is what I understand, but please correct me if I am mistaken.

    It seems the UFI 2316200 is the older version, had some technical issues, and was discontinued. My item has a rounded O-ring-type rubber seal, rather than the flat rubber seal on the other two filters.

    The replacement is UFI 2316201. This seems the safest among my choices, as I read nothing critical of it.

    Not that it is relevant, but concours judges apparently will look for a UFI.

    The FRAM HP-1 is a higher grade, "high-performance" Fram, very popular in racing circles and well liked in Europe and the UK. John Corbani had astounding success with it (see his post above), and I did use that model without problems in my 1963 Lotus 23 sports racer. There were concerns expressed in the Web that the HP-1 sacrificed fine filtration for good flow. I do not know if there is basis for that, and am skeptical. The HP-1 is the most robust-looking of the three filters. I wanted to use it.

    In the end I chickened out and used the UFI 2316201.

    I hear Baldwin is very good, but that is unavailable here.

    Andres
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  6. swift53

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    Baldwin, really inexpensive on Amazon.com, and unfortunately, no, no relation...

    Regards, Alberto
     
  7. HMB-Dino

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    Filters are excluded from point deductions at concours per the FCA judging guidelines, so if one ever dings you for that, I'd challenge it citing published judging guidelines...

    "Routine replacement items, such as spark plugs, filters, battery, window glass, and tires, need not be the exact original brand or type provided that replacements conform to the general appearance, characteristics, and size of the original."
     
  8. mikeyr

    mikeyr Formula 3

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    Thank You, I was sitting here shocked that a concours judge would look at the brand of filter, that is a user replaceable item and often not available anymore (in this case they are) but it can't be judged in my opinion. I suppose it could be a tie-breaker because factory filters are still available but that would taking it to a extreme.

    But then again, in MY opinion tires should not be looked at for judging either, tires have come a long ways since these cars were built and you want to be safe on the road so use the best made today in the proper size of course.
     
  9. abstamaria

    abstamaria F1 Rookie

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    Yes, quite unusual that filters would be factored in at a concours (I just picked that up. researching on the Web). I actually like the orange Fram filters for appearance; they remind me of the old Ferrari engine photos I used to drool over.
     
  10. swift53

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    I am repainting a batch of Baldwins the same Fram orange.
    Of course no decal.

    Regards, Alberto
     
  11. racerboy9

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    I blew two of those faulty UFI filters on my Stratos. Could have easily caught the car on fire. Very lucky! I don't think UFI ever admitted the design flaw.
     
  12. abstamaria

    abstamaria F1 Rookie

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    You mean UFI 2316200, Racerboy? I threw the one example I have away lest I fit it by mistake. Andres
     
  13. abstamaria

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    #13 abstamaria, Oct 18, 2012
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    There is a current thread in one of the forums I visit on Fram filters. It was sparked by this video:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRRgw4B7R-I[/ame]

    That led me to several other videos on filters, almost all unfavorable to Fram, including this one.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vDz3dVLaaM[/ame]

    Overall, the density of the filter element and the floppy end caps seem to argue against Fram, and I would not use any of their general-market filters.

    The high performance Fram filters (HP4 fare) more favorably in at least one video:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhY6pL8-p64&feature=related[/ame]

    I note Superformance sells Fram HP1 filters for our Dinos. Summit Racing (US) sell them too, saying “Fram's HP Series filters are just for performance and racing use. The spin-on filters can trap very small micron-sized particles that cause most engine wear. All filters have an anti-drainback valve with a maximum flow rate.”

    This is a good non-video thread on oil filters, including the Fram HP1. His conclusion – “Fram: Frankly, I never realized how cheaply built these are. They were a favorite of mine. So much for advertising and hype, you can't always believe what they tell you. The online pics of the Tough Guard look the same, I didn't want to waste more than $6 to find out. High priced for what you (don't) get.”

    http://www.lxforums.com/board/f71/oil-filters-exposed-pic-heavy-291232/

    The photo below of a cut-open HP1 is from there. Note the “cardboard” end caps; most other filters have metal end caps.

    I have a couple of HP1s leftover from my Lotus 23; the previous owner, who raced the car for decades used them, so i just carried on. I may never use them. I wonder if that's well-based caution.

    Andres
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  14. Nemo4

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    I just found six unopened boxes of Fram PH2804-1 filters in my garage. They have to be at least 15 years old. Maybe 20. Are they still usable?
     
  15. TonyL

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    Risky...........i would recycle!!
     
  16. synchro

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    I recently found that K&N sell filters that should fit a Dino, bought the HP-3001 waiting for next oil change to install it.

    Link: http://www.knfilters.com/search/appsearch.aspx#&&/wEXBgUIQVBQX1RZUEUFA2FsbAUOUkVGRVJFTkNFX05BTUUFCkFQUF9TRUFSQ0gFCUFQUF9NT0RFTAUMRGlubyAyNDYgR1RTBQhBUFBfTUFLRQUHRkVSUkFSSQUKQVBQX0VOR0lORQUDMTQ4BQhBUFBfWUVBUgUEMTk3M4/lfbkrXTr3m12xYFzftJey8M6xwzfRcxIXoLPvIZgU


    Since the link looks dynamic, I'm including a text copy:

    Vehicle Description Product Part Number Product Image
    1973 FERRARI Dino 246 GTS 148 V6 CARB - All Air Filter
    - Designed to Increase Power
    - Million Mile Limited Warranty E-9240


    1973 FERRARI Dino 246 GTS 148 V6 CARB - All Oil Filter
    - 1" Nut for Easy Removal
    - Heavy Duty Construction HP-3001


    1973 FERRARI Dino 246 GTS 148 V6 CARB - All Oil Filter
    - K&N Pro Series
    - For Synthetic and Conventional Oils PS-3001


    1973 FERRARI Dino 246 GTS 148 V6 CARB - All Oil Filter
    - Billet Aluminum Housing
    - Washable and Reusable SS-3001
     
  17. synchro

    synchro F1 Veteran

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    I did an oil change and will continue to use the K&N HP-3001.
    The video shows it has the highest number of filter pleats and metal filter ends as opposed to Fram's cardboard ends.


     

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