2011 FORMULA 1 AIRTEL GRAND PRIX OF INDIA: RACE *** Spoilers ***

I was going to comment on your earlier comment about these two using their cars as weapons. I don't think the FIA is "allowing" it in order to "improve the show" - They've never tolerated bad behavior before and do penalize infractions as they see fit. As we can see from here, there's two sides to every story but I do believe they're trying to be reasonable.

However, it's now happened *six* times this year and I suspect Charlie has had about enough - I'm sure he'll have them both in the headmasters office before Abu Dhabi.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

Halt! Or I'll yell Halt! again?
Not Charlie's style is it?
If they were going to address this issue in a timely fashion it's way too late.

 

"Better late than never"?.......

After the last incident, I reckon Charlie's thinking "you've got to be kidding me guys!"

He's the one guy who "speaks quietly and carries a big stick" - If it should happen again he may very well ban 'em both for a race or two. Hopefully not, but we'll see soon I guess.

Cheers,
Ian

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/15514061.stm

 

The master had more than his fair share of dust ups...Exhibit 'A'

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Why do I think we've had this same discussion about Charlie's reluctance to act on another matter?
I respect Charlie and don't envy him his job but he can only make so many accommodations before he loses credibility. Or is that whats happened already?
I hope not.
David

 

Love it!
Lewis' crashes are Jensen's fault.

 

Interesting...so they're suggesting the guy who has fits with being second on the grid period may be having issues with being second on his own team?

Go figure...

 

Can't please all the people all the time......

+1

I don't think he's got any credibility issues though - He really is the one guy they *all* respect and listen to.

That they've interfered with each other so many times now suggests to me he's going to tell them they're on very thin ice. But a ban is a *huge* deal and not taken lightly.

Cheers,
Ian

 

True but we are discussing the incident between Massa and Hamilton so I fail to see the relevance?

 

I think that outside of Massa, there are probably only two real incidents (Maldonado, Webber) where LH caught another driver out bad through over-aggressive driving. Even the Webber one was the result of a crowded T1.

The Massa/Hamilton drama needs to end. It's a soap opera within a grand prix weekend. It's costing Hamilton big time, as those 5 incidents have significantly impacted his results in the WDC. Take those away, and he's still in the thick of things (though probably still behind Vettel...the car/driver combo is just too good).

May be time for one of these...

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Is a ban the next, or only step?
You'd think that pressure could be quietly put on the teams to rein in their drivers. If its gone beyond that stage something really needs to be done that will get their attention.
D

 

My question is why would Hamilton have or hold a grudge against Massa.

The guy is a inferior driver fullstop.

IMO Hamilton only wants to get past a driver/drivers that he is clearly faster than, either be it the car or his skill makes no odds, on this occasion it's both, but to make matters worse Massa has Smedley either telling him to destroy Hamiltons race or let Alonso past him, so I suppose you could argue he does a good job in that department, but it isn't good racing as far as I'am concerned.

Smedley needs a swift kick in nuts he is making matters worse.

Massa has got a few allies with some other drivers, and they all stand to gain from it, why because they know he is good, and it helps if they can collectively mentally destroy him.

His driving style has not made him popular that is a fact.

 

Agree...I do pin part of this on Smedley because Massa is no longer racing to win. He's feeding the issue as if Massa screwing up LH's races is proper payback for his 2008 WDC loss.

Move on and move forward.

 

Lewis has a record of acting against his own best interests so I don't see that as a factor.

What happened to the Penny Farthing?

 

I'll admit he can be his own worst enemy, his problem is not looking at the bigger picture when he is on his back foot through no fault of his own.

Having a loose cannon on track hell bent on making life as difficult as possible doesn't help either..



I got angry...

 

http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/automobil/geruecht-rosberg-statt-massa-zu-ferrari-4075090.html

With Massa's recent miserable results the rumors are now starting that Ferrari might sack him.

And the replacement candidate has already been named: Rosberg


Personally I think this is just wishful thinking and we're probably stuck with Massa for another year.

 

So now it's Massa screwing up Hamiltons races?

We all know Hamilton is faster than the little brazilian, but should he just move the F away as soon as he sees a silver car with a yellow helmet?

Hamilton is the guy that needs to learn how to pass without taking half the field out.

 

+1 agreed

 

We can hope...it wouldn't surprise me if Rosberg would go that way. However...Mercedes really seems like it might be a very competitive team next year so it would be a difficult choice for him.

 

Bas, Hamilton can pass without hitting, he has proven this time and time again, and you know that.

 

Half the field=Massa? Really? (we've already reviewed his incidents this year)

Yes, Smedley has instructed Massa to "destroy Hamilton's" races. I do believe that is one of his prime objectives on the track. Doesn't mean to crash him out, it means to push him down on the grid and deny him as many points as possible.

If I were LH, I would have just as difficult a time complying with such...

 

It's a figure of speech.

Destroy Hamiltons race indeed means to keep Hamilton as far back as possible from the leading Ferrari, because Massa doesn't have the pace to stick with Alonso. EVERY team does this. As long as Massa isn't on a charge and actually getting closer (significantly) to his teammate, his job should be to keep Hamilton back. It's simple tactics. If you can't stick with the pack, do your part and make sure that your teammate can maximize his points by keeping another driver on a charge behind you.

 

All I know is that the tiff between the two girl's has gotten out of hand and frankly I do not follow or care about either one of them regardless of the team they drive for, wtf ever happened to 'gentleman racers?'

 

Yeh I'd call it kamikaze defence, MS can do it Alonso can do it, it's called covering the racing line. Not opening the door and shutting it, and hoping for the best, knowing full well the driver is on your inside.